Why Do Some Want to Wipe Out Armenian Christians?

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Tick tock. Time to rock. Good evening, good morning. Good afternoon to. Everyone is watching from all over the world. It’s your friendly neighborhood philosopher here at D wood. With me now. Got a couple of guests to talk about. An important situation, important area of the world. Right now, we’ve got, we’ve got Arthur. I’m just going to call you Arthur.

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Do people normally do that?

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People normally call me Arthur. Yes.

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Okay. So I’m going to call you Arthur. And, you your channel is apologia center.

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Yes, sir.

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That’s right. And, we also have we also have Doctor Jacob personally. Is that right? Oh, my. Getting that right.

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That’s correct sir.

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Okay, okay. That’s right. And, we, Arthur has been telling Arthur I’ve had Arthur on before, years ago. But, it is weird how Christians don’t know a lot about what’s going on in the rest of the world. We tend to only focus on kind of what’s going on in, in America and in Europe, when most of the most important things that are happening are in other places, like in Nigeria and in places in the Middle East and, and, in Asia and so on, and lots of the most important, things that are happening as far as Christianity is concerned in the gospel or in other parts of the world, and

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people don’t even know what’s going on and the persecutions that are going on in various parts of the world. And unless it unless it’s an attack in like Germany or the UK or something like that, we don’t even we don’t even really hear about it. Robert and I, Robert Spencer and I, we do a show called This Weekend Jihad, where we cover various attacks.

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And we’ve, we’ve recognized for the past couple of years we could do that show just about what happens in Nigeria. We can do that show, a weekly show just about what happens in Nigeria and never run out of information to share because it’s just constant and relentless. And yet people don’t even see anything about it on the news.

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And so we get down to, this topic of, Armenians and Armenian Christians and people. I think most Christians in the West don’t even know who they are. They’ve heard it before, but they don’t know who they are. They don’t know what part of the you know, what the area is, what’s happened in the past. They’ve heard about things like the, you know, the Armenian Genocide and so on.

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But they, they don’t even really know what it is, and they don’t know what’s been going on, recently and today. So, that’s why we’ve got you two guys on help inform everyone. And, but before we get started, why don’t you guys tell us a little bit about yourselves and what you do? So, Arthur, go ahead and, introduce everyone to your lovely, beautiful bald head.

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Thank you, but I got a fantabulous beard. So it covers third of all, that works.

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That works.

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So my name is Arthur. I run an organization called the Pall Gear Center. And we do apologetics ministry. So we train folks in churches and doing apologetics, we have an online presence, with, youtube.com slash football gear center. And, we also have a ministry. And I move my family to Armenia in 20 late 2018, early 2019 and started the ministry there.

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And so we created content in Armenian only. We are the only Armenian language only apologetics ministry that’s consistently doing it. We do it on YouTube, and TikTok, for some reason, is really popular in Armenia. So I got a guy that works there that I mentor, and, he does all the work. His name’s, Petros.

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And. Yeah, I mean, that’s a little bit about me. Been pastoral ministry, been in ministry for, 20 plus years.

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And Jacob.

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Well, David and Arthur, great to see you guys. And, if you hear jackals howling in the background, that’s because I’m located right at the border of Iran. Looking. You can’t really see the mountains, but, I’m here in the country of Armenia. This is our tour’s home country, and, glad to be here. That’s where our tour and I met originally when he moved here.

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And my ministry, started first in Turkey, was there 15 years, and we were there, and, so many come to faith and we were starting new churches there. And eventually we had to move because of, it became difficult for many missionaries there. And the Lord sent us to Armenia, and I’m glad he did. It’s been a great place.

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Been here for eight years now. And specifically we we church plant in this country because there’s still need where we also, really focus on the Muslim world, to reach Iran, to reach, Turkey and the surrounding countries like Doggystyle and, and so forth. So, we mobilize, equip and send folks out. And, so I do a lot of teaching and mobilizing and preaching.

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So, yeah, it’s it.

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All right. So un, who who are we talking about here? Who who is this group? The Armenians. And I’m, I’m asking that because I have a general idea of the location and place and stuff like that, but even, even I even I need more, more information on this.

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Well, if you let me answer this question, I’ll, hype up Armenians way too much. Maybe, but the greatest people in the world who are the greatest, if you’ve ever interacted with an Armenian, you could walk away maybe feeling down. Look, Armenians are a very old, people group. We find our roots, on the outskirts of, Mount Ararat, which is where, Noah’s land or, Noah’s Ark landed, and, there was a kingdom called Ura, too.

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So I’m not going to give you guys a whole history lesson, but Armenians are the first of, officially Christian state on the planet, which I think is unique in regards to our history. And I think what, God’s plan would be for, for our people. And throughout the century, we’ve dealt with a lot of the stuff that maybe some people are just realizing.

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For example, Armenians have been interacting in various ways with Muslims and, what Islam has brought to this world, since the inception of Islam. So, and yeah, I think Armenians are a blessing to the world. But again, I’ll, I’ll hype that up and tell you we are the greatest people on the planet.

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And who are the who are the most famous Armenians in the world today? Would you say.

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Right now, walking the planet?

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Yeah.

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Oh, I don’t know, man. As of today, Inter Milan made it to the Champions League final, so I’m sure Henrikh Mkhitaryan will be a name that’s on everybody’s lips.

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I thought you were going to say like the Kardashians or something, aren’t they?

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I mean, I know you were.

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I know, I know you were dating me then.

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But that’s how I answered it the way I did.

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Well, you know, you always have, you always have. You have different kinds of people watching live streams, and you have some people with just, fleshly minds. And if you tell them, hey, we’re talking about the Kardashians, they’ll go, oh, I want to help these people. I want to help these people. So.

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Well, I.

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Was just going to say that the most famous, theologian that, had to escape the genocide, from von, his name was Rousseau’s slash Tuni. And, and he was American. He was a Presbyterian, and, he was, amazing.

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No man’s Jacob. Americans would know him as RJ rush. Dooney.

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Oh, boy. I don’t even know how they spam. Yeah. Oh, yeah. RJ yeah, but he was in California. I was a missionary to Native American Indians, wrote a lot of books on theater. Me and reconstruction ism was great guy. I know his family.

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And, here we have Jimmy asking winner, AP and D would doing a show again. You seriously think I’m going to get a Turk?

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Yeah. So that’s what I was going to say.

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Turk, a Turk on a show about Armenian Christians aren’t like. Are you joking?

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It would.

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Be.

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It would be. I was hoping he was going to be on here today.

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Oh.

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Oh, he’ll probably. He’ll probably be. He’ll probably be making an appearance. I think he wants to apologize on behalf of all, Turks everywhere. And he has the, he has as a turkey has the authority to speak on behalf of all Turks and to apologize on behalf of them. So that’s good.

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Here’s here’s it. Maybe on a more serious note, in regards to my interaction with Turks. Jacobs interacted way more on this. And he’s been a part of a couple of, reconciliation gatherings. The only way I have seen in my experience as someone who grew up with deep hatred towards Turks before I, knew Jesus and followed him, the only way I’ve seen Turks actually apologize for the genocide are Turks who have come to know Jesus and follow after him.

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That’s the only way I’ve seen it happen. And I think it’s probably the best way, that it will happen.

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Oh, yeah, I’d say that’s the only way that, reconciliation happens in these kinds of situations. You need some strong cause of forgiveness and love and reconciliation. And if you don’t, if if you don’t have Jesus as part of that, it seems like there’s just always resentment and hostility brewing, even if there’s like a superficial, okay, let’s get along right now.

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There’s always this resentment and hostility that’s brewing. And it just it just explodes later on. And so, yep, there are a lot of.

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I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say reconciliation for me is one of the experiential proofs of Christianity because, it’s, you know, when I’ve worked in the Muslim world and I see people, it’s I farai, it’s truth for truth, blood for blood. And when they actually see, somebody that, there was a perpetrator and a victim and they can come together and then they can say, I forgive you.

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I saw this with two people that I was working with in Turkey. They were martyred for their faith in the JT and war and in Malaysia back in 2007. And they’re they’re the wife of Rana JT, and basically said, I forgive the killers and the entire country of Turkey just, it was the headline news on every newspaper.

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It says she forgave the killers because they don’t understand that, and then she was able to explain why she was able to forgive. Because she was forgiven. Great. She gave the testimony of herself and her husband that was murdered, for his faith. And then what? Archer said, I agree. I I’m just going to say this.

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David and Archer, the beef probably have some people watching. It’s like, what? Genocide? Why would Turks need to apologize? For what? You know, you know, maybe some context might be might be good for that. But there was a genocide against the Christian minorities that were living, during the Ottoman Empire. And, and it either wiped them out completely or they were exiled.

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And, so there are the great great grandchildren of the of these perpetrators of the crime. And now we’ve got our minions in Syria and Greeks that are believers in Christ, meeting with the Turkish and Kurdish believers in Christ, in the Turkish and Kurdish believers in Christ are saying, our forefathers did this horrible crime and they didn’t know what they were doing.

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They were they were lost without Christ. But we are one church now. We have one baptism and, and can we now work together? And that’s what we’re seeing happening. The reconciliation only happens in Christ. And you can’t find that in any ideology, philosophy or religion that’s in Christ.

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All right. Now, on the issue of, you guys mentioned the, we’re talking about the Armenian Genocide and so on and how lots of people, you know, I think most people now have heard about it, but, don’t know exactly what the history is. Important important to note. It was a it was a young at off little mustache guy who saw what happened there.

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And this convinced him that it was actually possible if you if you had said before the Armenian Genocide, if you had said, hey, here’s how you can just actually, like wipe out an entire population, you just round him up, put him in, put him in, put him in cattle, cars and so on and haul him off.

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And, the world will actually not pay much attention. That would have sounded insane. Of course, the world is going to pay attention. Of course, the world is not going to let that happen. Young Adolf saw it, saw it happen and said, whoa, this can work. We can actually do this. We can actually do this here. So, this gave some inspiration to him on how to deal with what he saw as a problem in Europe, but, Arthur, why don’t you give everyone a background on, Islam’s interaction with the, Armenians?

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We have, like, six hours. So again, Armenians have been dealing with it and people and I’m reading the comments as we’re talking about this go Armenians lost a lot of their land throughout history and so on and so forth. Well, part of the reason for that is Islam. So when the Islamic expansion happened, as they, as Islam teaches that they’re going to establish a caliphate and so on and so forth.

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Armenia was in direct contact with all those things happening. And so Islam has been the dominant force in that region. Now, you do get different kinds of Muslims, obviously Iranians, who border Armenia or Shiites. And the relationship there is very different versus Sunnis. And so what Armenia fell victim to initially is the Arab expansions, that they take over and then, you know, they go back and forth with, other superpowers in that region.

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But when Turkey became the center of the caliphate, I think that was probably where it got really bad for Armenians. Armenians were treated as second class citizens, as Islam teaches. Many of the things, obviously, you speak about, David, when you’re talking about Islamic countries and the way, non-Muslims are treated in those countries, or people have experience, Armenians have experience.

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They were second class citizens in the country. They did have to pay the jizya. So these aren’t.

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Taking anything on.

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Hey.

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This isn’t this isn’t something that islamophobes are making up.

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No, it’s just consistent. Islam. So again, because the Ottoman Empire is the last caliphate, I mean, with the death of the Ottoman Empire is the death of the caliphate. And may it never come back. So, our people have experienced this. We know what that’s like. We know, through, you know, the stories of our, grandparents and great grandparents that if you’re living in a, Islamic dominated country, you walk on the other side.

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For example, when a muslim is walking towards you, you’re treated as a second class citizen. Now, on top of that, obviously there’s racial things because Turkish Islam and Jacob would know more about this, but Turkish Islam looks very different because it’s got a nationalistic kind of kick to it, where it might be a bit different in some of the more, more Arab countries.

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So in with that, Armenians lost a majority of their land. That’s currently in Turkey. It’s always interesting to me when people talk about Mount Ararat and they talk about Noah, they say, well, you know, it’s in Turkey. I go.

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Yeah, I.

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Kind of just figure out how it ended up there. Would be a legitimate question to ask and follow the trail there. Because it truly is, a road that’s paved with blood. I mean, there’s no other way we can speak about this. It’s not about victimizing. It’s nothing like that. This is just the reality. It’s the hard, cold historical facts.

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As a matter of fact, if you’re traveling in Turkey. Sorry, my voice is tripping out on me. If you’re traveling, traveling in Turkey, and you go into the the lands that were originally dominated by Armenians and Armenians live there. And you talk to just some old people, they’ll tell you the stories. I’ll explain to you exactly what it was like.

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So this is not a hidden sort of secret that only Armenians talk about, or it’s Armenian propaganda or something like that. If you actually get out of Turkey. And again, this is part of the reason why it’d be cool to bring this stuff up with, AP is that history is taught differently in Turkey. All of us restored differently in Turkey.

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So these things.

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Don’t get, we’re sure. So, you know.

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Go for it.

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No, I was just going to say, you know, when we were in Turkey, I wrote a book on the Armenian Genocide. I had to use a pseudonym. And, it’s still got out and it’s illegal to insult Turkish ness in the country of Turkey. It’s a law you can go to. You’re going to jail for up to two years if you insult Turkish this publicly radio, they’ve shut down radio broadcasts just because somebody said there was an Armenian genocide and they fine people, they’ll, they’ll ban the books or anything like that.

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And now what? And so insulting Turkish this is basically saying that anything that, if Turkey ever even said that they’ve done anything wrong or bad, that’s insulting of Turkish this. But I was just going to say about, Mustache Man, as you mentioned, when I was, visiting, Syria, I was doing a mission trip there in 2004.

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Oh my goodness, it’s a long time ago now. And I was going from village to village, in the Kurdish regions, Al Jazeera, part of Syria. I had a friend of mine, I was staying at his house, and he had a human skull on his shelf. And I said, dude, what is this? And he said, oh, that’s an Armenian skull.

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I’m like, why is it on your shelf? And this is a really creepy oh, he’s like, oh, I’m going to show you tomorrow. So the next day in the morning, I still have the pictures. He took me to a mass grave and the bones were sticking out everywhere. There was goats running on the where they were, and there is the entire region is a crime scene because of what the Ottomans did, what the Kurds and the Turks and they know it.

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Over here, if you talk to the Kurds, they know what their their families were involved in, what they did. I mean, here’s this guy, they had this, an Armenian school on his shelf. And it was it was it was the mustache man himself that said, who who was he? Who ever remembers the Armenians? You know, we can do this Holocaust thing because nobody ever really forgot about the Armenian Genocide.

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And,

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You know.

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So if you want, I can bring this into kind of modern, like, why talk about this? I mean, I was just.

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I was just thinking about how, like, even, even now, every every couple years, they’ll be some, some country is about to acknowledge that there was an Armenian genocide, and then there will be this massive pressure from Turkey to keep your mouth shut about it and to not and to not.

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Yeah, they’ll, they’ll, they’ll, they’ll pull back their ambassador and they’ll make a whole ordeal about it and so on and so forth.

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It is women. It’s it is weird. It’s like because you do you guys are pointing out you have this, you have this, nationalistic, this nationalistic component of it. And it’s interesting that you have people who freak out if they’re criticized for anything, ever. And it’s like in their minds it’s strong. But like I, I view that as like a weakness.

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Like, if you can’t ignore it, if you can’t, if you can’t acknowledge things that have happened and so on, and you have to deny them and pretend you’ve never done anything, I don’t I don’t regard that as like, oh, we we’re very strong. We we’ve never done anything wrong. It’s like, if you’re too weak to endure any sort of criticism, even for things that you have indisputably done.

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I regard you as like, I don’t know, weak and cowardly as far as that’s as far as that’s concerned. So we can conclude that all Turks. I’m just kidding. I know a couple of I know Hatun and AP are both are both Turks. So they’re not all. They’re not.

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All. And the Turks let me just say this. And the Turks become Christians. There’s something else, man. They are a force for Jesus, like none other. Because they go through things and they experience things that maybe your average Christian around the world doesn’t have to go through.

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Because they have that.

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And they have that superiority complex already built into them. So they’re like, you can’t tell me I’m wrong about this. And then they just roll out. They just start preaching the gospel.

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Yeah. I’ve.

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Got some wonderful Turkish and Kurdish, Christian friends and pastors that we network with the churches there. And it is true, I, I’m privileged to know them. And, they love the Armenian people. They love the Syriac people, the Greek people, the Bulgarian Christians, you know, they really feel ashamed. You know, we have meetings and gatherings where they come together.

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They’re so shy and ashamed because they’re like, we know what our our forefathers did to these people, and now we have to sit with them and, and, so they’re always so, they’re, they’re very apprehensive at first, but, but they’re, they’re wonderful people and, and I and the church in Turkey is growing. So there’s a lot of positive things that are happening here in the Muslim world.

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We can talk about that a little bit later.

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All right. So what do you guys want to focus on now? Oh, Arthur, you were about to say so.

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Yeah I was going to say why? Why does this matter? Why are people still talking about this? And for a couple of reasons. Number one, the issue has not been resolved. It hasn’t been acknowledged. The Turkish government refuses it. April 24th is, the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide. And so, Turks will have parades and victory parties that they’ve,

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So, interestingly set up to be like, right on or around that day. And, and then there’s also this aspect of Turkic Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan considers themselves to be, a brother state of Turkey. And there’s been issues with Armenia and Azerbaijan and you and I, when we went live, I think last time we did this, David, we spoke about that whole situation because the the war was ongoing.

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And most recently what Azerbaijan has done is depopulated, probably one of the oldest and more historic Armenian lands of 120,000 Armenians, and and completely depopulated it. And, you know, folks talk about Ukraine, folks talk about, the Israel-Gaza situation happening. But it just completely went under the radar that 120,000 people were, ethnically cleansed from their motherland.

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And then it doesn’t stop. It’s not like, oh, we claim this land. So therefore we got it. We’re good. The conversation continues to a point where, no, we want to eradicate this entire country. We this is not theirs. It’s ours. Jacob pays attention because he understands the language. He he knows Turkish, so he pays attention to the news cycles in Turkey and, and Azerbaijan.

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So I want Jacob to talk about that a little bit in regards to the propaganda and then the the Islamic component to this, because a lot of people that I listen to Jacob online say, well, this is just a political thing. It just deals with land and borders and stuff like that. But what you’re listening to has a lot more propaganda in regards to like a religious, you know, nationalistic identity.

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Yeah, I have to I have to say, it’s, you know, for people who say, oh, it’s only, you know, it’s political, it’s about land or something like that. Weird that there’s this weird obsession with land wherever Islam comes into the equation. Right. And we’re seeing it right now with, India and Pakistan and pretty much see it anywhere, anywhere Islam goes.

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There’s this odd obsession with, getting more land and,

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Well, yeah, that and the idea thing is.

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The idea that it has nothing to do with Islam’s command to take over the entire world. It’s just, I guess we’ll just call that.

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Of course, the other thing I always point people to is, if it’s just about land, why is it that every time they take over, they, tear down the church and remove the crosses and then turn it into a mosque, or build a mosque on top of it and then get on top of it and yell also Akbar.

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So that’s it. That’s the whole.

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Thing. Outsourced. So, you know, I’m watching the Azeri news and watching the Turkish news back in September, 27th of 2020, they invaded Artsakh, the homelands of the Armenians, with their and shelling them with artillery and invading with their soldiers. And they were attacking, the civilian cities just like, Russia is bombing Kiev and Ukraine.

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So there they were targeting stability civilians. And, I was watching on the news this is not this is not in the West. You can’t find this on BBC world. You can’t find this on, you know, CNN world, all these things. But it’s on their news. And what they’re doing is they’re they’re showing their convoys of their soldiers and they’re saying, take dear Allahu Akbar, take beard, Allahu Akbar.

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And they’re saying it with by by Mohammed and God, we are going to destroy the infidels. I’ve listened to them. I’ve recorded the soldiers. What they’re doing. They’re pumped. They’re they’re putting themselves up as they’re going in and they’ve got their guns and they’re just firing on civilians, civilian homes, just this. The shooting at the people’s houses.

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They were paying, Syrian ISIS fighters and they shipped them from Syria here. Turkey did this, by the way. And this is not just some this is a fact. They brought in hundreds and hundreds of ISIS fighters. And they said we will pay you $100 per head. So you need a cut off that shows the head will pay you $100.

00:26:12:00 – 00:26:36:03
And they found these guys and they that we’re doing this and they arrested them. They’re still in prison here. And they confessed what they did, how they were being paid, who did it. And these are ISIS fighters. So they were they were bringing in ISIS. A turkey was involved in this. Pakistan was supporting it. And and they were using, Islam, as they always have, because they say, you know, we’re Muslims.

00:26:36:05 – 00:26:56:00
They’re not talking about politics. They’re not talking about historical lands. They’re doing this now. Yeah. You can find some documentaries that will say, oh, yeah, this YouTube on the capital of Armenia is Azerbaijan. They’ll say things like that again. That’s just they’re they’re trying any way to stir up their people to do evil.

00:26:56:03 – 00:26:56:11
In our.

00:26:56:12 – 00:26:56:19
Hearts.

00:26:56:20 – 00:26:57:11
History.

00:26:57:13 – 00:27:21:04
Arthur was pointing out, you know, the idea that this isn’t about religion. He points out why there’s this, odd obsession not only with land, but of taking the, places of worship, of opposing groups, taking them over and converting them into mosques and so on. And that was, that goes back to the very, earliest stage of Islam.

00:27:21:04 – 00:27:40:24
What does Muhammad do once he gets the power? Oh, that place that, you know, the polytheists of Mecca, like, actually it’s mine. And it’s always been, it’s always been part of Islam. You guys just, stole it from you. Stole it from us at some point. And then, of course, Hagia Sophia and and Robert Spencer.

00:27:40:24 – 00:28:05:27
Robert Spencer, in his book History of Jihad, talks about this as Islam expanded, as they were taking over, Hindu areas and so on, there was this, they would take the Hindu temple, they would take the idols, smash them to pieces and scatter them on the path to walk into the mosque so that they could actually walk over the broken pieces of the idols and so on.

00:28:06:03 – 00:28:19:16
But, so anyway, it does it. And then, of course, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, it’s like you have to have everyone’s like main center of worship. And this is the sign of strength. And it’s the sign, it’s the sign that God is with you and subjugating all these people. And so when.

00:28:19:22 – 00:28:20:23
This is not whenever they.

00:28:20:25 – 00:28:30:04
Whenever they can’t, whenever they can’t do that, they, they, they start feeling weak, like, oh, why aren’t we winning? Why isn’t Allah on our side? We’re not, turning their places into, mosques right now. Was that Arthur? Yeah.

00:28:30:04 – 00:28:51:08
So the Hagia Sophia until very recently was just a museum, essentially. And then what, what Erdogan did and turkeys, he he converted it, reconverted it into a mosque because after, they had taken over, they had converted into a mosque. And so to the world, they don’t pay attention to that because they don’t understand the Islamic mind.

00:28:51:08 – 00:29:08:13
When you actually pay attention to the Islamic mind, you you realize that that is a very, very religious statement that Islam has conquered. Islam is dominant, and this is a land for Muslims. That’s just the reality of Islamic thinking and Islamic propaganda and.

00:29:08:13 – 00:29:26:18
Yeah. And, and that’s why that’s why to this day, you’ll still see very popular Muslim videos whenever they, like, buy a church property and convert it into a mosque and so on. And like the UK or something like that, it’s all it’s all over. They all circulate, you seal, to the law and so on. So, still, still an obsession.

00:29:26:19 – 00:29:28:05
Still an obsession with this.

00:29:28:07 – 00:29:36:11
All right. That’s hilarious to me. Sorry. There’s some guy in the comment section, and he said, the Hagia Sophia is ours. We conquered it in 1453.

00:29:36:13 – 00:29:37:03
You.

00:29:37:06 – 00:29:44:06
Realize what you’re saying? Yeah. That it wasn’t yours because you you took it was originally someone else’s.

00:29:44:07 – 00:30:12:00
And you realized it. And you realized that when you constantly say that, oh, we took it. So it’s ours that you kind of forfeit the right if someone takes something that’s yours at some point, like. Like when, it was just it was just recently that, well, I mean, it goes back a couple of decades, but, when there was that, was it the Barbary Mosque I’m trying to think of which Moscow was, but, it’s it was built on a Hindu, on a Hindu site.

00:30:12:00 – 00:30:40:00
And at some point they leveled it, built a mosque on top of it. But then you had a bunch of Hindus just just gather around it. One day and tore it down. And then, more recently, they built, they built a, a Hindu temple on it again and told Muslim, hey, you can we’re giving you this other site, we’re giving you this other site where you can build a mosque, but you can’t have that right here because you guys, because you guys destroyed the place and then built your mosque on top of it.

00:30:40:02 – 00:30:58:11
And what did you have? You had Muslims around the world losing their minds. Oh, this is so intolerant. This is look at this. This is Islamophobic. It’s like, do you not even hear yourselves? Do you not hear, like pick, pick, pick one? Is it wrong and immoral and evil and wicked to take someone’s place of worship? If so, you got some splaining to do.

00:30:58:14 – 00:31:13:11
You got some splaining to do on this issue because you go back all the way back to your prophet when he, not only took the, when he not only took over the Kaaba, but he went around smashing the idols and stabbing out the eyes of the idols. He showed a lot of contempt for their religious beliefs.

00:31:13:11 – 00:31:29:25
He wasn’t at all concerned about hurting their feelings and so on. So if that’s your pattern of conduct, guess what? What you’re really saying is whoever’s strongest has the right to take whatever they want. That’s what you’re saying. And if that’s if that’s your actual position, okay. Don’t don’t whine to me when like Hindus do it. Don’t don’t like don’t don’t complain about it.

00:31:29:25 – 00:31:45:27
But pick a side. Because when you say it’s okay for us but not okay for anyone else, what you’re really saying is we’re just superior to everyone else. And that’s kind of the that’s kind of the problem in Islam’s interactions with the world right now is, what complete hypocrisy. Here are the rules for us, and here are the rules for everyone else.

00:31:45:27 – 00:31:58:15
You act like the entire world is already your demise. And they’re not. It doesn’t work like that. Not everyone is second class citizens. All right, guys, so, what do you. What do you want to. What do you want to focus on here? The floor is open for you guys because you guys are the ones who who know about it.

00:31:58:20 – 00:32:30:00
Can I can I just say one thing about the importance of our media? For those listening that was saying, why our media? Why is this relevant? It’s very relevant if you are a believer in Jesus Christ, because this country is located in the center of the 1040 window. That’s basically what that means is, is if you’re looking at the world and you’re looking at where the gospel is going forth, where churches are at, we’re in the least rich part of the world.

00:32:30:02 – 00:32:54:16
You’ve got Iran, we got Turkey, we got Azerbaijan, we’ve got the the, the Northern Caucasus. We have Dagestan in Chechnya, which is, very difficult area, Muslim area, and also the Ajara region of Georgia, which is predominantly Muslim. And here we have, Christian Armenia that is in church history, the very first Christian nation declared 301 A.D.

00:32:54:18 – 00:33:16:21
I mentioned this and, this is important because this is really the only free and democratic country in the area. We just have some really bad neighbors. And, the Christians need to know about this place because every single one of us came from here. So, you know, this is where our forefathers came from. Shem, Ham and Japheth.

00:33:16:24 – 00:33:39:13
And then you you look at, we spread out from these lands, but for whatever reason, the Lord has had grace on the people in this land so that they can have the word of God. They’ve had the Bible since in their own language, since 400 AD 405. And that’s significant. I mean, us poor English speakers had to wait a long time, you know, and others.

00:33:39:13 – 00:34:03:00
So there’s been some really, important things that God has done in this area, and he’s preserved it until this time. Now, now, no countries want to wipe this place off the map. They say they have the same rhetoric as Hamas. And as to Israel, you know, you hear the Turks, you have the other Azerbaijanis, and they’re saying, we’re going to take over the area that I’m sitting in specifically right now.

00:34:03:00 – 00:34:23:26
It’s called vengeance or according to them, this region, they say that’s ours. That’s the first place they want to take. And then they say, we’re going to take the whole country. They just want to make a pan Turkic, Islamic, neo Ottoman Empire. And so, it’s important for us to know that we need to support Armenia. We need to support the Armenian Christians.

00:34:23:29 – 00:34:43:22
We need to come and visit. This is like a second pilgrimage. I would say, for for Christians, if you go to Israel and you know when to see where Jesus walked, well, literally, the place that I’m standing right now, this town. Thaddeus walked in this town. He brought the gospel right here where I’m at right now. And it’s it’s a little town.

00:34:43:22 – 00:35:13:17
I’m not going to say where it’s at, but, I’m on the border of Iran. And, so you can see where the apostles walk. You can see where they preach the gospel. You can see, things that were just, it’s been hidden from the Christian world and, and but not anymore. And David, thank you for the opportunity for our tonight to talk about Armenia and to talk about, the, the the missional strategic importance of this country for the Armenian Christians that are now reaching out to their Muslim neighbors.

00:35:13:19 – 00:35:27:20
And that’s what I’m really excited about, because I think I said before, we’re seeing every single week professions of faith from Muslims, both as Azerbaijanis and from Iranians.

00:35:27:22 – 00:35:48:27
That is. Yeah. That’s another thing lots of Christians don’t understand is, I mean, Christians in the West don’t understand is how relevant places are. I want to say a couple things about that, but people are complaining about some bad faith actors over in the chat and saying, I need more moderators, guys I don’t know who to click on as a moderator.

00:35:48:27 – 00:36:09:06
I don’t trust any of you guys. I don’t know you. How do I know you? Anyway, let me go ahead. I’ll go ahead and say everyone in the chat right now. Pick someone. Pick one person who’s causing the most trouble, and I’ll tell me who that is. And I’ll block one person just by majority vote. Right now, if someone’s causing trouble.

00:36:09:07 – 00:36:11:15
This is your one is your is your one chance right now.

00:36:11:15 – 00:36:15:28
This this is very democratic. Unlike some of the countries that some of those people are from.

00:36:16:03 – 00:36:36:07
Yeah I know, so pick someone right now. Pick someone right now and I will block him. I don’t care who it is. Even if you say it’s. Even if you say myself, I will block myself. That’s how. That’s how. That’s how willing I am to to keep my word here. On the issue of, strategic locations, this is why, you know, a place like Nigeria, people don’t get it.

00:36:36:07 – 00:37:03:01
Like Christianity has been exploding in sub-Saharan Africa, right? It’s I think I forget the exact statistics, but it went from like under 10% to, like over 50%, in the past century. So that’s like that’s like massive, massive, massive growth. And then you have, you have this kind of line that goes and it goes, it goes are basically around the Muslim world.

00:37:03:01 – 00:37:21:03
So it goes through Africa. There’s a line where it has a name. I forget what the name is, but there’s a name for this line where you have a muslim majority on one side of the line, non-Muslim majority on the other side line, and that line goes all the way over and like India and stuff like that. But right now that line goes right through Nigeria.

00:37:21:06 – 00:37:44:24
And the emphasis both of like jihadi groups and just da’wah groups and so on is to keep pushing that line back. You want to destroy the ideology through, through propaganda and preaching and so on, and da’wah of the people you’re opposing. And ultimately you want to defeat them and subjugate them and so on. But if Islam just pushes Islam wants to keep pushing that line.

00:37:44:24 – 00:38:17:01
So think about this. Christianity spreads throughout Africa, but Islam is kind of right behind it, trying to push, trying to push it out. And if you actually go through, if you get through Nigeria, Islam is not going to stop. It’s just going to keep pushing all the all the way down. But there are these certain areas that are like the most important spots in the world, because it’s where Islam is trying to push through, subjugate everyone and just crush, crush people’s ability to spread the gospel and isolate people so that they never hear any criticisms of Islam’s claims and never hear a serious presentation of any alternatives.

00:38:17:03 – 00:38:37:15
But Armenia is one of those places, and you can see that, like it’s it’s a focusing on these areas is a smart move. And people understand like you go back to the book of acts when the apostle Paul says, I need to wipe out Christianity, I need to get up to and he goes to Damascus. There’s a reason that is like, okay, it had spread up to there.

00:38:37:15 – 00:38:52:27
If you do not stop it in Damascus, that’s a trade hub. It’s going to shoot out in all directions. I have to go up and I have to stop it there, because that is a very, very important spot right now. And so that’s why he focused on it. And then what happens? Of course, he, he, God has other plans in mind and so on.

00:38:52:29 – 00:39:13:29
But it’s that sort of strategic thinking about these locations and so on, that lots of people just miss. And so you have an important area right there in the middle East for reaching out to people with the gospel. And that should be one of the main I mean, like one of the main places we want Christians to be able to preach there is right there and people just aren’t paying attention to it.

00:39:14:02 – 00:39:22:25
We do have someone real quick who wants to join us.

00:39:22:27 – 00:39:24:21
AP.

00:39:24:23 – 00:39:26:26
Whoa. Oh, hello.

00:39:26:29 – 00:39:51:00
Hi. So we have a, we have the representative of Turks everywhere. We have a representative of Turks everywhere. Turks all over the planet. And he is the official spokesman. He is the US. He is the official spokesman of Turks everywhere. He has promised. He did promise after he. After what did you say? After your baptism? You’re going to retake, Constantinople.

00:39:51:00 – 00:39:51:14
Is that what you said?

00:39:51:18 – 00:39:56:06
Yes. Yes. Host government is.

00:39:56:06 – 00:40:01:27
Yeah. I wanted to see you. Meet you. It’s nice to meet you, sir.

00:40:02:00 – 00:40:04:09
Thank you, thank you, I appreciate that.

00:40:04:12 – 00:40:08:00
Hey, but these guys might start talking in a foreign language, and we won’t know what they’re talking about.

00:40:08:05 – 00:40:10:23
Yeah, they could be plotting and we won’t even know.

00:40:10:25 – 00:40:35:23
I was watching this, and I thought to myself that I need to come on here and, and say a few words just for a few minutes, and then I will let you guys, you know, continue with the conversation. But, since, you guys are here and since, Archer is here a much respects. As a as a person of Turkish, origin and Turkish descent, I wanted to come here and, express.

00:40:35:25 – 00:40:55:09
And I say that I speak on behalf of all Turks here now, officially, that’s, that’s I now take responsibility for the Armenian Genocide on behalf of all Turks. And, also officially apologized for it and officially promised to, give land back to the Armenians.

00:40:55:12 – 00:41:09:01
So you heard it here. You heard it here, everyone. We finally had the Turks and the representative of Turks everywhere acknowledge what happened and, vow to make things right, to whatever extent they can in the future.

00:41:09:03 – 00:41:28:16
AP I’ve got to tell you a couple of things. Really praying for you. And, what you just said is not an easy thing to say, and I know you’re not. You’re you’re sincere about it. I have many of my friends that are back in Turkey. We’ve discussed this. I have one man that, was in Diyarbakir.

00:41:28:18 – 00:41:51:21
And he was a minister there, Kurdish guy background. And he told me he had a dream one night, and he said that he was looking at his farm where he grew up there in Diyarbakir. And he said that the the entire ground was bubbling blood. It was. And he said the blood started to scream and he didn’t understand what that was.

00:41:51:23 – 00:42:12:21
And he wasn’t a Christian yet. And then he said, that he, he thought about it. He’s like, you know, this land that we’re living on right now. Literally, we stole from an Armenian family, and we’ve lived here now since that time. And then he said when he became a Christian, he realized it was the blood crying out of the ground.

00:42:12:23 – 00:42:34:04
And he was broken. He was broken, and he himself and I have another friend from, mercy. And he told me this as well. He said, we have lands that belong to Armenians. And he said we would gladly give the deeds and the titles back to Armenian families if we can find them. So there are a lot of people that are willing to do that.

00:42:34:04 – 00:42:38:23
They realize what has happened. And so, God bless you guys.

00:42:38:25 – 00:43:02:24
I think I was actually I was actually joking, but, but still, I’m kind of serious about it as well. I’m definitely serious about one aspect of it, which is that, Yeah. Which is that the Turks are, I mean, I’m, I’m just changing right now because I’m turning toward Christianity, so I want to be less, less less vengeful and hateful when I speak about this, but.

00:43:02:27 – 00:43:03:00
Well.

00:43:03:00 – 00:43:13:16
You could you could be more vengeful and hateful. AP because you’re pretty much one of the worst people I’ve ever seen in terms of like how how you talk about all other groups for years and so on.

00:43:13:18 – 00:43:15:05
But not so I respond.

00:43:15:06 – 00:43:36:29
I’ll respond to this in a couple of ways. First of all, good to meet you, AP. And thank you for that. Because so I grew up with quite a bit of hate in my heart towards Turks, legitimate hate. I’d never met a Turk in my life, but I hated Turks. And when I became a Christian, the Lord really worked on my heart, towards Turks.

00:43:36:29 – 00:43:55:11
Now, I remember meeting a Turkish guy for the first time, and he kind of didn’t fit in the group. And I was like, where are you from? And he was like, I don’t know if I want to say. And I was like, this is weird. Why doesn’t this guy want to tell me this ethnicity? And he said to me, while I’m Turkish and he was a Christian and,

00:43:55:14 – 00:44:14:23
The Lord just, worked on my heart in such a way where I said, man, I’ve never met a Turk. I’ve never given a Turk a hug. And so I gave this Duda hug. And I say that because that’s the unity that Christ brings into the situation. So that’s my response. Now, here’s a really cool thing in regards to what’s happened to this, because I feel like this is like full circle.

00:44:14:25 – 00:44:34:10
I was in Armenia, I was talking to Jacob about David Wood, and the ministry was doing and, and all this stuff. And Jacob says to me, there’s a Turkish guy on YouTube and he’s an atheist, but he goes after Muslims really? Well, you got to check him out. And he told me about it. He said, but he’s an atheist.

00:44:34:10 – 00:45:07:09
And then we spoke about how a lot of Turks and Iranians have a trajectory in coming to know Jesus. And the trajectory is this they’re Muslims, they become atheists or agnostics, and then they become Christians or both. And so Jacob and I spoke about this about five years ago, and we were specifically talking about you. And we’ve been praying for you, man, and seeing your journey and seeing what God’s done in your life and your family is just a testimony, I think, to the work of Jesus.

00:45:07:12 – 00:45:10:28
And and just having a good friend like, like David around you.

00:45:11:01 – 00:45:37:11
I agree on all all counts differently. It’s it’s very, very good to hear. It’s wonderful to hear. It’s a it’s a it’s a blessing. Thank you so much. And, I really appreciate, meeting you guys. It’s it’s it’s wonderful. I want to show, I was recently looking for, looking at, iconography, and I found this, this little, thing that was actually, that is supposed to depict, is a representation of the Armenian genocide, so.

00:45:37:17 – 00:45:52:28
Oh, well, I’m not I’m not exactly sure when and where it goes back to, but it is a representation of the Armenian Genocide. And, I. Well, now I dropped things, but so I come from a family where.

00:45:53:01 – 00:45:54:09
You see what the Turks do anyway.

00:45:54:14 – 00:46:20:07
So where there was a lot of, hate and racism, that that was very, very integral and foundational. Fundamental in the family. So growing up, I, I learned to hate Jews for most, of course, before anybody else. And then, but also the Christian, Christians and especially Armenians and then Greeks and Kurds, of course, as well.

00:46:20:10 – 00:46:45:12
Which is funny, the Kurds, despite being mostly Muslims, also gets some of the hate from the Turks. But, with the Armenians, it was a very, very special thing because from a very early age I learned from not only my own parents, but also from other, from relatives and other people, surrounding me all the time how the Armenians are the worst and they are horrible people and, and they are liars and they accuse us of things, but it was actually them and so on.

00:46:45:12 – 00:47:13:22
And, as I grew a little bit older and I started looking into, into the whole history of the, of the Armenians, in the land, and saw how the world and how the historians of the world actually analyzed the Armenian Genocide and how they have, put the, you know, the, the puzzle together. It’s very, very obvious that the Armenians, have gone have undergone extreme injustice under the hands of the, of the Ottoman Turks.

00:47:13:22 – 00:47:44:26
And it is very, very disturbing that the Turks today, the Muslims today, but even many non-Muslim Turks today, because of this influence of the national pride and the indoctrination that they are taught, still, learn that no, they were absolutely wasn’t no genocide. There absolutely was no injustice. We were completely just the Armenians to themselves. And you can even have the discussion and, and the discussion goes into a direction of, yes, there were mass killings.

00:47:44:29 – 00:48:24:01
However, it was an unfortunate consequence of this and this and that. It’s like the it’s such a sick way of indoctrinating people and making them unable to ever, you know, reflect, to introspect and to accept that they have done something horribly wrong and that they should probably acknowledge it and fix it. I wish it was different, but, maybe letting go of the Islamic aspect and the anti-Islamic pride and also the extreme nationalistic pride the Turks have, maybe, going towards a more Christian mindset, maybe going towards, you know, all this what you guys are doing here could help open some eyes.

00:48:24:01 – 00:48:26:17
Unfortunately, there is so much hate.

00:48:26:20 – 00:48:50:24
Well, AP, can I say this in Turkey, we saw so many folks come to know Christ, and it was exactly what Artur said. There was usually this kind of, I’m an atheist from a muslim background, so what they would do is they would reject the Islamic god, but not really. But thinking that the Islamic god is very similar to the God of the Bible because they just didn’t know any better.

00:48:50:27 – 00:49:09:15
And when they were introduced to, actually reading the Bible meeting real Christians, actually going to an actual a church where they could hear the gospel being preached, then they understood, oh, this is a different God. And then they would become they would accept Christ and say, I see the difference. The God of Islam is the God be rejected.

00:49:09:15 – 00:49:37:06
We didn’t reject the God of Christianity. And but what I was going to say was this is that because of the high indoctrination in Turkey, the, the false narrative of history taught that, in fact, they actually I do in other if you go to other, they have a Turkish genocide, museum where they, they actually claim that the Armenians committed a genocide against the Turks, and it’s, it’s it’s insane.

00:49:37:06 – 00:49:44:08
Absolutely insane. But anyway, that’s another. And over there in the eastern region, I think, what is it to.

00:49:44:11 – 00:49:48:02
To, monument, not mountain a monument. Yeah.

00:49:48:04 – 00:50:07:11
So what I was going to say was this is what I noticed is that there was a, it was a discipleship issue. You know, the scriptures is very clear that, those that conceal or hide their sins, they’re not going to be blessed. You have to confess your sin. That’s for individuals and everything. And I think, we need to do this.

00:50:07:11 – 00:50:24:08
But what I noticed is that they realized, hey, they they lied to us about the Bible. They said that the the Bible was changed and corrupted. Well, that’s not true. Then they lied to us about Jesus. They said, oh, you know, there was this this idea that they have about how Jesus came about, you know, with God. Mary.

00:50:24:13 – 00:50:39:26
Then they said they lied to us about the Trinity and they lied to us about this. What else did they lie to us about? And then they go down that rabbit hole, and it’s a good one to go down because they discover a truth on every area. And, and so that’s what I have seen in the, in our Turkish churches.

00:50:39:28 – 00:51:10:19
And now I don’t know if, you know, AP we have over 200 Turkish churches right now, and they’re growing and there’s at least 10,000, Turkish and Kurdish background believers. Now, now, that is a huge thing. From 19, from 1950, there was only ten known Turkish Christians that we know theologically, 10 in 1950, and then in 1975, we knew there was maybe around 50.

00:51:10:22 – 00:51:24:22
So I it’s going well, from what I’ve seen in geological history and it’s and it’s going to continue to grow and we’re going to anyway, I’m excited about what’s happening in this part of the world.

00:51:24:25 – 00:51:26:15
No, you’re telling me nothing.

00:51:26:18 – 00:51:38:27
Oh, I got I was I was just thinking, oh, AP should go talk in those churches. Then I remember you have an arrest warrant in Turkey. So that’s not that’s not going to work out. They rest you as soon as you, soon as you land. Sorry about that.

00:51:39:00 – 00:51:47:25
Lately, I feel like, I do want to go there and just, They’re probably just arrest me and take my statement and then let me go or something. I don’t know, maybe I should just try it.

00:51:47:28 – 00:51:49:10
Yeah. Well, good.

00:51:49:13 – 00:51:49:18
Yeah.

00:51:49:20 – 00:51:51:11
Don’t don’t do that.

00:51:51:13 – 00:51:53:24
You got.

00:51:53:26 – 00:52:10:24
I know I, I have been told by Turkish, by two Turkish lawyers that, while technically, and legally and officially, if I arrived there, what they have to do is simply take me and get a statement and then just let me go. I shouldn’t be trusting the technical official aspect of it. So.

00:52:10:26 – 00:52:12:25
Yeah. Yeah.

00:52:12:27 – 00:52:22:28
So I probably, I probably won’t do it, but, so you’re telling me something, something good about you, about Turks, which just doesn’t make sense to me. So, I’m just going to.

00:52:23:01 – 00:52:38:06
Yeah, that is weird. I haven’t, I haven’t you haven’t. You haven’t. You’ve been the one who’s been, who’s been revealing over time that Turks were, part otter. And that’s what I said to the Ottomans.

00:52:38:09 – 00:52:56:07
Yes, it’s actually true. They were, they were other people. So the history of the of Turkey is actually many people don’t know this, but the history of Turkey is actually that these people were, they came a very, went when the Europeans first encountered the Ottomans, they encountered these these, creatures that were like half other half men and their work was giants.

00:52:56:07 – 00:53:16:21
And they were very strong, which is why initially they tried to fight back when the Ottomans were invading. But when they saw the, you know, the, different scary nature and this giant size of them, they couldn’t, resist. So they were defeated by the Ottoman. That’s this is how the Ottoman Empire became so big. Later, of course, over time, things changed and they kind of started hiding their actual nature.

00:53:16:21 – 00:53:19:19
And now appear more like humans. But you can see over here that I have, for example.

00:53:19:24 – 00:53:21:05
If.

00:53:21:08 – 00:53:26:19
So, just wanted to let everyone know, the, the real history because Arthur was kind of avoiding it.

00:53:26:19 – 00:53:29:12
The story has taught him.

00:53:29:14 – 00:53:39:08
Yeah. He didn’t want, yeah. Arthur’s given. Yeah. He’s given this sanitized, history and trying to avoid, the real history of the Ottoman.

00:53:39:10 – 00:54:06:00
Okay, with jokes aside, there actually, a very insane, ultranationalist, mythological Turkic, thing that some people learn and some people are, are taught that, that when the Turks unite the Turkic people before they came down to Anatolia, they were these, the nomadic people up there and in their previous religion, at some point they, they were actually a heroic race that were, that underwent oppression and they almost went extinct.

00:54:06:00 – 00:54:18:28
But then a wolf, a sheer wolf came and took care of them and basically populated and then, continued, generation and the existence of Turks, which is why Turks have some kind of wolf blood in the more so.

00:54:19:00 – 00:54:42:21
Well, this is why they have an ultra nationalistic terrorist organization called the Gray Wolves. Yes. That, you know, so, an interesting thing that, Westerners, again, something they’re probably blind to is quite often you’ll see Turkish politicians or just Turks in general in relation to things with Armenians hold up the gray wolf symbol, which would, would be essentially waving a swastika.

00:54:42:23 – 00:54:52:26
Yeah. And people don’t know what it is. They think it’s the Wolfpack sign from the, the NWO. But when when a Turk does it, it’s a very, very different thing.

00:54:52:28 – 00:55:05:01
Yeah, yeah. So so we we now we know, so Charlie Sheen has tiger blood. Kanye has dragon blood and AP has wolf blood. All right, we’ve got it.

00:55:05:03 – 00:55:06:22
We know.

00:55:06:25 – 00:55:18:04
That’s where you’re wrong, because, if you remember, I recently posted a thing on, on Twitter saying, when Turks get their DNA results, their ancestry, DNA results, and they.

00:55:18:07 – 00:55:19:00
Look like.

00:55:19:02 – 00:55:20:20
They find out they’re Greek and stuff.

00:55:20:22 – 00:55:21:07
Yeah, they.

00:55:21:09 – 00:55:23:19
So that they find out they’re Greek or Armenian.

00:55:23:19 – 00:55:25:10
That’s the problem with me.

00:55:25:10 – 00:55:45:20
For example, I, I got my results from ancestry DNA, and then I used different means to get, to dig deeper into it. And there’s this, my true ancestry, which kind of, compares your DNA results to ancient populations and all that. And, the funny thing is that the closest that it’s that it’s points me at is not, Turks that came from, you know, Central Asia or anything.

00:55:45:20 – 00:56:02:20
It points me directly to eastern Anatolia, to Armenian populations long preceding, the Turks. So it seems that my ancestry actually comes from the Armenians. But I learned as a child that these Armenians are the terrible, terrible, horrible people and that we are Turks who came down and conquered and so on. It’s it’s so.

00:56:02:20 – 00:56:03:08
Weird.

00:56:03:10 – 00:56:11:12
Yeah. And then he had, and then he had to, and then he had to, and then he got his DNA results, and then he looked in the mirror and hated himself.

00:56:11:14 – 00:56:12:28
Yes.

00:56:13:00 – 00:56:30:26
That’s a common story we hear. Sorry, but this is a common story that Armenians hear about Turks. Now, the funny thing is that there’s going to be all sorts of things clipped up saying, we see. We told you he’s not. He’s not a real Turk. He’s not. He wasn’t real Muslim. He’s always been an Armenian Christian.

00:56:30:28 – 00:56:32:03
Probably. Yeah.

00:56:32:05 – 00:56:40:20
Well, you know, you know, one thing I was going to say to, if there are Turkish people that will watch this and there might be, I just say this, there will.

00:56:40:20 – 00:56:42:08
Be on there are right now.

00:56:42:10 – 00:57:06:27
Well, I was going to say in their history, they’re taught is basically this basic history that, you know, we were animist, you know, we worship angry, you know, their, their god. And then the Muslims came in and then they worship the one God. And now, you know, we’re Muslims and what is not talked taught is the Turkish history of their their Christian history of the Turkish, people, which they have a long Christian, history.

00:57:07:04 – 00:57:32:07
That was eventually wiped out by Timberland. In fact, there was a Turkic Catholic close for the Eastern Church. His name was Robin bah sama. And he was his his church, was out of Merv, Turkmenistan. And, this and this complete the, the the the Turkish Christian history was erased from the Turkish people. They don’t they’re not taught this.

00:57:32:12 – 00:57:55:08
Now, there’s there’s a book that was written by a Harvard historian that goes through and explains the entire Turkish history of the church. There was millions and millions of Turkish tribes, a lot of people, that were, Christians in the, I would say about the 1100s starting 6 to 11 hundreds at that time. But that’s completely wiped off of their, their education system.

00:57:55:08 – 00:58:05:00
So it’s it’s not about the ethnicity. It’s always about, you know, faith in Christ. And unfortunately, Timberland decided to to murder all the Christian Turkish populations.

00:58:05:03 – 00:58:06:17
I didn’t even know about that. But,

00:58:06:24 – 00:58:25:05
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s amazing. It’s a great the the Turkish Christian history is excellent. Even the Turkish Catholics traveled to England and served communion, to, whoever was, the leader at that time, the church, I can’t remember off the top of my head.

00:58:25:07 – 00:58:27:29
Wow. Yeah.

00:58:28:01 – 00:58:29:23
That’s new news to me.

00:58:29:25 – 00:58:31:22
Very, very nice.

00:58:31:24 – 00:58:41:24
Very, very. Anyway, I will leave now, and I will, let the adult older adults talk.

00:58:41:26 – 00:58:42:23
Hey, good meeting you, man.

00:58:42:23 – 00:58:47:01
And thank thank you. Truly means a lot for me, to for you to jump on.

00:58:47:01 – 00:58:56:06
And it’s it’s a it’s a great pleasure and great honor to meet you as well. And, let’s keep in touch. Continue. What do you. And I’m nice to meet you, too, Jacob. And,

00:58:56:08 – 00:59:01:21
Nice to meet you, too. We’re checking to show some vegan, crucial.

00:59:01:23 – 00:59:07:10
I visit two hospitals, because both are to come on all the major.

00:59:07:13 – 00:59:22:03
York, doctor, we caught that. We Turks will we Turks will continue deceiving these Christians. You say this, you don’t believe us because we’re smiling. Yeah. So,

00:59:22:06 – 00:59:23:22
All right, David, see.

00:59:23:24 – 00:59:27:20
Where we’re going? We’re going live later to talk about what’s going on in India and Pakistan. Right?

00:59:27:22 – 00:59:28:17
I think so, yes.

00:59:28:17 – 00:59:31:15
Yeah, yeah. We need to support. Yeah.

00:59:31:17 – 00:59:34:23
God bless you guys. I don’t see you catch that.

00:59:34:25 – 00:59:35:15
Finally.

00:59:35:21 – 00:59:38:06
Gosh,

00:59:38:09 – 00:59:52:26
You see how these Turks, they’re always obsessed with, invading? We have, we have some super chats over here on the side. Let’s go ahead and, take these real quick. I enjoy new guests and miss happy. You two so good together. Are we? Yeah. When we go, we’re going to see AP. I’m.

00:59:52:28 – 01:00:00:00
It’s weird. Me and AP go live all the time, and then, like, for the past couple of days, just one day I was at a funeral. And then I came back the next day, and I had a different live stream. And look.

01:00:00:00 – 01:00:02:13
What are you guys fighting? Why don’t you live.

01:00:02:13 – 01:00:24:28
Together like we’re married or something? Amazing. That number one top Je colonizers even colonized. Complaining about being colonized. AP can enlist the Armenian Christians to retake Constantinople. It’s a good idea. I’ll help to, Christian Arab men from Turkey. Here I do apologetics and Turkey will be Christian again.

01:00:25:00 – 01:00:26:07
Wow. Amen.

01:00:26:10 – 01:00:27:15
Wow.

01:00:27:18 – 01:00:45:21
And then. And then follow up here. I converted thousands to Christianity in Turkey. We hope you’re not exaggerating, because that would be, That would be awesome. Breaking India bombs, terrorist camps in Pakistan. Yeah, we saw that many people will be talking about the India stuff later. So yeah, we have breaking news on that’s coming out now.

01:00:45:21 – 01:01:06:19
So we’ll be talking about that later. Do Ahmadiyya have an official view of Israel? I don’t know. I’ve heard them talk about that. I don’t know if there’s an official position. I’ve never looked into it. Not only Armenians they wanted to wipe out. We would have a Syria as a nation. But the Ottomans massacred 750,000 Assyrian during World War One.

01:01:06:19 – 01:01:12:01
God bless you guys. Yeah. So, what’s, Phil, everyone on who the groups were that were targeted back then?

01:01:12:03 – 01:01:38:19
Yeah, it’s important because, you know, because Armenians were kind of the majority population and more Armenians were killed. It regularly gets called Armenian Genocide, but it’s actually a genocide of Christians in Anatolia. Because the people that were targeted were Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks. And how do we know that this was a targeting towards Christians? Because if they converted to Islam, their lives will be spared, would be spared.

01:01:38:19 – 01:02:06:10
And a lot of people were, there are Islam sized Armenians, Islam sized Greeks in some size, Assyrians in, in Turkey. This is partly why, they have such an issue with DNA testing in Turkey, because once they do that, and there’s a number of people that I’ve heard about just anecdotally from friends and stuff like that, who’ve who’ve converted to Christianity because they did a ancestry test and then they said, wait, my grandmother was Armenian, my grandfather was Armenian.

01:02:06:12 – 01:02:21:20
And then so they sort of rediscovered Christianity and became Christians. But that that is true. Assyrians were, were a part of the group that, were killed. There’s a genocide against them. And as well as Greeks.

01:02:21:22 – 01:02:37:10
This is, this is, a different question. I wanted to make sure I got to this towards the end, but since someone brought it up in a super chat, we’ll get to it right now. What can be done to help the Armenians? So as far as, like, just practically speaking, most of you know, we got viewers here.

01:02:37:10 – 01:02:45:19
Most of them would be like, you know, Western viewers and so on. But, what do you guys thoughts on what people can actually do?

01:02:45:21 – 01:02:51:07
Well, I’m going to let Jacob kind of handle that because he’s in Armenia and he does work in Armenia. He does missions work in Armenia.

01:02:51:07 – 01:03:36:11
So okay, so I would answer this in, two ways. Spiritually in a, more of a, activist type way. The first lady of Azerbaijan, her name is Mary Bond. Oliver. She was just awarded a Christian award from the Patriarch Kirill of Russia. And the award was of the Order of Saint Olga. And basically, I think once a year, the Russian, apostolic Church that the Russian Orthodox Church awards a woman that is, does good deeds, you know, is benevolent.

01:03:36:13 – 01:04:02:10
It has good family values, moral values and so forth. And, the thing that’s really interesting about that is that, it was this, this family, the Aliyev family specifically that, that, ethnically cleansed, as Arthur had mentioned, 120,000 Christians out of their homelands and starved them for over nine months. They did a blockade on them.

01:04:02:10 – 01:04:29:00
They couldn’t get food or medicine to their people. And there was literally people starving to death in the country. And, I believe that our tour said that, the focus has always been on Russia and Ukraine. The focus is had been on Israel because that it’s just Armenians forgot is forgotten. So talk about Armenia. If you live in a European country, you can talk to parliamentarians and say, please help this country.

01:04:29:03 – 01:04:53:29
They are Christian, they’re democratic. They’re not under a dictatorship like, like Azerbaijan. We they need to think about their partnerships. So, I mean, I, we have very fruitful conversations with senators and with congressmen and governors in the United States, and they’re putting pressure on the United States to help Armenia. So that just physically helps this country.

01:04:54:01 – 01:05:09:17
And then people like, oh, yeah, then they come over and they visit. If you’re if you have never been to Armenia, you need to come and visit and see what we’re talking about. Just visiting this country is going to change your entire view. I have people that travel around the country. They come here and they say, I just feel peace.

01:05:09:19 – 01:05:31:07
I feel this hospitality, I feel relaxed, I feel like I’m at home. And this is people from all over the world. Then they say, well, I just came from Azerbaijan. I didn’t feel that. I just came from Turkey. I didn’t feel that. But there’s something there’s something different about this place. And so we do need to let people know there’s a the more you talk about it, the more you say, what about the Armenians?

01:05:31:07 – 01:05:55:25
What about the Armenians? That that really helps. If anybody has a platform, please do that. Also, if you’re a Christian, pray every single day for this country, for the protection of this country, for the peace of this country, because this is that strategic location where God is using the Armenian people to go as missionaries to the surrounding Muslim nations to preach the gospel.

01:05:55:29 – 01:06:13:18
This is strategic, and they can do it in a way that a Westerner cannot do it. They can go with their passports and nobody thinks. The one thing I can’t as an American just do that easily. Or a lot of, Europeans cannot do that. But an Armenian can. So for the kingdom of God, it’s a very strategic.

01:06:13:18 – 01:06:22:03
If you’re a believing Christian, pray for this country, that God would raise up workers, that the churches would be strengthened. The country would be protected.

01:06:22:06 – 01:06:44:16
Now I just have, one, this is just something. This is just something I’m wondering. But so you’ve got the you’ve got the Armenians and most of the issues with, seems to be with Turkey, but you’re also right there beside Iran. And so there’s all kinds of things going on with Iran. There was a poll that came out a few years ago.

01:06:44:16 – 01:07:08:16
If you, when actual government pollsters go around asking people if they’re Muslims, do you have a muslim majority population? But when the polls are done in private, it turns out there’s actually only a 40% Muslim population. That’s Sunnis, Shias, everyone else combined in Iran. That’s even adjusting for, that’s even adjusting for. Okay, well, you’re only polling people who are on a computer.

01:07:08:16 – 01:07:33:07
So maybe in a village it’s different. They’ve adjusted for all that, and they ended up with numbers around 40% of the population of Iran are, are actually Muslim of any kind. And I was talking to, Ahmed Navarro, who’s an ex Muslim, atheist, who’s Iranian. But he was pointing out sort of the only support the Iranian regime has anymore is from the most extreme hardliners.

01:07:33:07 – 01:07:54:14
That’s why they can’t give an inch on things like wearing the hijab or something. They would lose the support of the one group that that’s still on their side, the, the, the super hard line, Shias and so on. So anyway, it’s looking it’s just been looking to lots of people like that regime. We might actually see the collapse of the Iranian regime here in the near future.

01:07:54:17 – 01:08:09:23
I was just wondering how if you think that how you think that would, affect the situation with the Armenians or the ability of, of, people to, how do you think that would affect or would that not affect anything?

01:08:09:26 – 01:08:13:12
Well, it’s well, I was it’s go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

01:08:13:15 – 01:08:43:19
I was going to give it a little, kind of caveat there. One of the things that’s interesting about Iran is that the church is growing. My wife is Armenian from Iran. So my parents, but, and grew up in a believing home. My wife’s pastor was martyred in Iran by the regime. There’s a number of Armenians who were actually reaching out, and doing evangelism, towards Muslims who were who were martyred, I mean, horrendous stuff.

01:08:43:22 – 01:09:12:18
Stabbed, thrown in the ditch, chopped up to pieces. All, you know, as well as Iranian Christians and the gospel had been going out, man, we might look from the outside and think like, oh, there’s no missionaries going into that country. But God has placed people there and the gospel has been expanding. People have been experiencing Jesus. And and it’s growing, I would say, I would say if the regime falls, Iran could potentially be a Christian nation that’s neighboring Armenia.

01:09:12:22 – 01:09:36:27
And and I agree with them. That would be I agree. Look, just from my, my practical experience, being over here now, first off, the Iranian government just did a study, this I think it was released last year where they are lamenting that 55,000 mosques are now closed. And so that’s a big deal. Nobody’s going to mosque.

01:09:37:04 – 01:09:39:21
I think they’ll I think they’ll make good churches.

01:09:39:24 – 01:10:03:00
Yeah, absolutely. So you see practically you know, I just talked to an Iranian yesterday. I gave him a Bible in Persian. We talked. He’s like, I want to read this. I’ve never seen one of these. Look, it. When I was doing apologetics 20 years ago, we had to fight constantly about the Bible being changed and corrupted. All the basic arguments.

01:10:03:02 – 01:10:26:19
For the last five years that I’ve interacted with Muslims in this part of the world, I have had to do almost zero apologetics. All they want to do is we want to know who Christ is. We want to learn from Christians. And, I mean, I’m shocked because I had to fight for 15 years in Turkey, literally every, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight.

01:10:26:19 – 01:10:46:26
It was just contending for the faith. When I out now I just on Sunday we had as Azerbaijani Iranians in our church they said, please tell us who Jesus is. Tell us, what do you believe? I sat down for 30 minutes. I just gave them, you know, the imputation of Christ’s reprice righteousness. This is what he’s done. This is the relationship we have.

01:10:46:28 – 01:11:06:05
What Christ died on the cross. They said, we want to believe it was it was like like that. And and every week we see these guys. They’re just they’re sick of this Islamic god. They’re slick. They’re sick of having to be forced to live under this weird oppression. And they’re so they’re set free in Jesus Christ. And they want to know.

01:11:06:05 – 01:11:26:01
That’s why I believe what Artur said. You know, you I truly believe if I’m able to walk across the border here and I could do an open air evangelism, I think we would see mass conversions in every village. And in every city if that door opened. So pray for Iran, too, if you’re a Christian, because they’re ready to hear the message.

01:11:26:01 – 01:11:36:04
I see, you know, I see it over here all the time. I’m, I, I, I told Archer this. I said, Islam is fallen. We’re done. Islam is done. It’s finished. There’s a prophecy.

01:11:36:04 – 01:11:36:28
Finished.

01:11:37:00 – 01:11:40:26
It’s done. It’s been humiliated.

01:11:40:28 – 01:12:05:04
It’s done. Man. Look look, look, look, I have a proof for this. Jeremiah chapter 51, verse 44. You had to look at this. This is one of my favorite verses, David. And our tour. I want to read this because this is like, when I read this a few years ago, I was like, no way. This is like, so awesome.

01:12:05:06 – 01:12:27:15
It says. And I will punish Bel and Babylon, and I will take out of his mouth what he has swallowed. The nations shall no longer flow to him. The wall of Babylon has fallen. Jeremiah made this, said this prophecy at the height of Bel worship, when they had a major temple there in Babylon. It was worship for over 2000 years, this, this false god Bel.

01:12:27:22 – 01:12:49:26
And here Jeremiah is saying, no longer, it’s not going to even be remembered. And those nations that flew to Bel, and I’m going to rescue them out of the mouth of this false demon god. And I can say this is that there’s going to be a day. Oh, look. And we know this is true, guys, because nobody listening knows with a belt is you have to Google what is about like what’s a bell I don’t know.

01:12:49:26 – 01:13:08:21
That was the most worship God. Jeremiah said, no, Yahweh is winning. And what’s interesting is I really believe this about Islam is that, a few generations from now, I don’t know how many, but in a short time people are going to have to Google what is a Muhammad? What is an Islam? They’re not going to even know what it is.

01:13:08:23 – 01:13:27:20
Generations best I and I it’s funny, but I do want to say this because I just it’s been encouraging to me, when Christ, when Christ, was, came to this earth, he died for us and rose again. And he is Lord and Savior. He went, he’s ruling and reigning. You know, people would have thought it would be ridiculous.

01:13:27:22 – 01:13:49:17
That today the only way because, you know, remember that Christians were persecuted because of their faith in Christ, and they would say, is is Caesar Lord or is is Christ Lord? They said, you know, Christ as Lord, they can be killed. Well, well, today we only remember Caesar when we eat a salad.

01:13:49:19 – 01:14:01:17
Who would have thought in Jesus’s time that we would be eating a Caesar salad? I really I again, I I we’re going to be eating Mohammed kabobs one day and people won’t even know who Muhammad was.

01:14:01:19 – 01:14:05:20
I mean, Muhammad kabobs right now. As far.

01:14:05:22 – 01:14:06:00
As.

01:14:06:00 – 01:14:14:26
What I do, I’m. I’m saving that name for the future when Islam, completely collapses and, we can all gather together and eat some Muhammad kabobs. It’s going to be awesome because we cook them.

01:14:14:28 – 01:14:16:04
I’ll cook the barbecue.

01:14:16:06 – 01:14:41:16
Yeah. Let’s see. Sweet cross over, gents. Sweet cross over. Gents. I attend a Lutheran church, but I’m not Lutheran. But I’m a Protestant. But the mustache man loved Martin Luther’s book on the Jews and their lies. Well, unfortunately, if you’re, if you’re a Lutheran, it would be kind of also foundational to to, being Lutheran, that you don’t take the words of any guy as, as define as the divine word of God.

01:14:41:16 – 01:14:47:13
And so Luther himself would say, hey, if, if I say something messed up, you do not have to, follow it.

01:14:47:20 – 01:14:49:18
That’s like the most Lutheran thing to do.

01:14:49:20 – 01:15:00:19
Disagree with. Yes. Yeah. Do most Turks know about the Celtic migration? Do you guys know what that’s about? I know what that’s about.

01:15:00:21 – 01:15:19:16
I think what they’re maybe, referring to is, the book of Galatians, North and South. Galatians, the Golota region, it’s it’s thought of that they were the, the Celts and they moved from that region to, to, Ireland. But maybe it’s that.

01:15:19:18 – 01:15:30:19
Yeah. Not sure about. Yeah. I’m not sure what that’s referring to. Curious here. So this was the, Turkic, Turkish Christian who does apologetics, but, had a message for AP.

01:15:30:22 – 01:15:31:26
Do you remember?

01:15:31:28 – 01:15:32:24
I didn’t I can read it.

01:15:32:24 – 01:15:49:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he’s just saying, as an Aramaic Christian, he basically it’s the same things as I and as in Turkey as a apologist that I’ve seen. Here he doesn’t say thousands. He says hundreds of Christians. I’ve seen hundreds of people come to faith.

01:15:50:01 – 01:15:53:00
Oh, that’s good, because I was worried. It was like, oh, the Turks are.

01:15:53:03 – 01:15:54:10
We are we are uniting.

01:15:54:10 – 01:16:11:01
And deceiving these Westerners. They’re falling for this. I thought it was something like that. Jane says AP is based. That’s true. AP versus bald bull and a battle of the Turks boxing match was bald bull. Turkish? I didn’t even know that a lot of people don’t. Bald bulls from Mike Tyson’s punch out everyone, but, Yeah.

01:16:11:04 – 01:16:39:00
Oh, AP is the only turkey I love. Just kidding. Love you all. Well, we’re not I’m not Turkish. Celerio says yes. Christ, love is overcoming ethnic barriers. That is true. That is barriers of ethnic hatred, I should say. You see that Turk just saw an Armenian icon and immediately broke it. Even as a muslim, I got to ask, what is wrong with these Turks?

01:16:39:02 – 01:16:39:20
That’s true.

01:16:39:22 – 01:16:41:03
Good point.

01:16:41:05 – 01:16:55:28
I thought the same thing is, like he couldn’t even. He couldn’t even help himself. He’s like, I have to, to smash this. Celerio again says. Also, I’m glad to report that my new Islamic Dilemma video is doing very well, just as a previous one did. Higher quality, I think two parts of more experience with slides.

01:16:55:28 – 01:17:21:11
Weird comments though. Yeah, you’re going to get some weird comments on the, Islamic dilemma scenario, but yeah, we’ll be checking out. We’ll be checking out your stuff. If you guys don’t know what the Islamic dilemma is, it’s an argument we’ve been using. But the argument is, hey, the Koran actually affirms the inspiration. Contrary to what Muslims believe, the Koran affirms the inspiration, the preservation, and the authority of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, and yet contradicts those scriptures on basic doctrines.

01:17:21:11 – 01:17:42:08
And therefore Muslims are in a dilemma, because either we have the inspired, preserved, authoritative word of God or we don’t. It’s one or the other. If we have the inspired, preserved, authoritative Word of God. Islam is false because it contradicts what we have. If we don’t have the inspired, preserved, authoritative Word of God, Islam is still false because it affirms the inspiration of the preservation and the authority of our scriptures.

01:17:42:08 – 01:17:49:03
So Islam is just it’s false either way. And so we’ve been using that, and a lot of Muslims have been panicking right now trying to.

01:17:49:03 – 01:17:50:24
And it’s an excellent argument, by the way.

01:17:50:24 – 01:17:54:13
They’ve been doing a terrible job responding to this stuff.

01:17:54:16 – 01:17:57:22
It sounds like it came from the mind of a philosopher.

01:17:57:25 – 01:18:18:10
Know there are people who know I heard this from all kinds of people came before me and, like, William Campbell had an entire, chapter of his book on just what the Koran says about the Bible. And in another chapter on what the, what the hadith say about the Bible and so on, and, basically, yeah, all the guys over at Answering Islam were writing about it before I came.

01:18:18:13 – 01:18:34:07
I’m just helping popularize it right now. So these are these are, pretty cool times. I’m a Palestinian Muslim, and my. Oh, this is Hussein. I was like, hey, you sound like I say, I’m a Palestinian Muslim and my wife is Armenian. Thank you, for talk.

01:18:34:07 – 01:18:37:06
Ingenuity.

01:18:37:06 – 01:18:41:24
Out this.

01:18:41:26 – 01:18:49:08
David read 40 days of Musa dug by Frank Werfel on me. You guys saying that? I saw you guys both nodding in agreement on that one?

01:18:49:12 – 01:18:51:09
Yep. Yeah, you should read it.

01:18:51:11 – 01:19:18:29
I will screenshot that. If it’s under 100 pages, I’ll read it. The perfect illustration of how they know, of how they know you are Jesus disciple is by love. John 1335. Turkey and Armenian both love soccer. Well, D would and I love real football. I don’t want to cause any division, but that is true. Both camps Congo Free State, Armenian Genocide.

01:19:19:01 – 01:19:37:28
No comment from Dan there. Let’s see. Kim Iverson thinks Turks lived in the Roman Empire for, probably does I? I hope you guys are not familiar her. She’s been saying the dumbest things ever happened to see you back. AP too late. He’s gone. Great show yesterday, David. The more we address the moral corruption of Muhammad, the more they leave Islam.

01:19:37:28 – 01:20:00:23
Yeah, that was actually guys, that was actually a poll from a muslim who did a poll of other Muslims. And he said, for those of you who doubt your religion sometimes, what is it that causes you to doubt your religion? And I think it was like half it was the number one answer, but it was like it was like 50% of Muslims who said that when they doubt their religion, it’s because of moral problems with Muhammad.

01:20:00:26 – 01:20:20:04
And I just said, how, how amazing is this that, I mean, fortunately things have been changing. But back when I back when I started dealing with Islam, almost every Christian, every Christian ministry that dealt with Islam and saw it was they were all saying, whatever you do, never criticize Muhammad because that will just cause Muslims to flee and they will never listen to you again.

01:20:20:04 – 01:20:35:23
I was thinking, what do you talk like? Every time I criticize, they can’t stay away. They come right at me and then we get into a big discussion, an argument, so on. So what do you guys mean? And but I mean think about that. You’ve got you’ve got Muslims. Now say this is the thing that makes us doubt our religion.

01:20:35:23 – 01:20:52:15
Most problems with Mohammed and you still got Christians are saying don’t don’t criticize Muhammad. It’s like I mean that that would be like if you were if we were talking about sports. I don’t know anything about soccer, but if you’re talking about football and he said, hey, we just, we just found out this other team, they can’t stop a running back to save their lives.

01:20:52:15 – 01:21:02:12
They have no run defense. Whatever we do, let’s not run the ball. It’s like, what? What are you talking about? If you if, you know, like, their weakness, like, I don’t know, I don’t know. These are weird things where?

01:21:02:14 – 01:21:32:25
Well, I think, David, you’ve said this before, and I think it’s true, that the internet is the thing that will break Islam because even Muslims, when you interact with Muslims generally, like in Islamic countries, Islamic dominated countries, they’re like completely reliant on what their imams say. Right. What the Sheikh says. And now because of the internet and people can look up the hadiths by themselves, if they don’t speak Arabic, then they can find it in their own languages because of translations.

01:21:32:25 – 01:21:55:10
And then they get to research Islam way more deeper, and as a result start having the legitimate doubts that comes with, wait, hang on, this guy did what? Because a lot of the times in villages and small towns, these imams don’t even know those things themselves. They’re sort of like it’s a hereditary thing that’s come to them.

01:21:55:16 – 01:21:57:03
And so they just teach it.

01:21:57:05 – 01:21:58:22
Yeah. What can I.

01:21:58:24 – 01:22:00:01
Go? What? Good God, no. Good.

01:22:00:08 – 01:22:20:11
Well, one thing I was just going to say in Turkey, one of the things that we did in our church is I had a massive, library of, Islamic books. We had every volume of the hadith found, and I had it in Turkish language. We had, every this year, the sort of the early biographies of Muhammad.

01:22:20:13 – 01:22:43:00
And, this was shocking to people because they would come to our church and say, why do you have all these books? You know, they’ve never seen an actual whole volume of like, I saw him Muslim or Abu Dhabi or the Baha’i. They’ve never seen this. When you go into an Islamic bookstore in a muslim country, you know what you find 101 hadith, you know, 1001 hadith.

01:22:43:07 – 01:23:03:15
And what they do is they pick out all the stuff, the fluff and stuff. Oh, you know, heaven. Is that the deed of the mothers? Look how Muhammad loved the women and he loved mothers and stuff like this. That’s all they know. And so, we would open the hadith with guys and we would show them, you know, look, here’s, here’s Aisha hadith.

01:23:03:18 – 01:23:22:23
They they’ve never seen it before in their life. They never even heard of it. Never. And they would say, oh my gosh, this is, this is this is this, this is that. And we would we would expose this. And it was always through deconstructing. So you have to deconstruct their faith. They’ve and then you’ve been doing that really well.

01:23:23:00 – 01:23:51:13
And that’s what we’ve been doing in the Muslim world. And that’s actually historically how Christians always dealt with Muslims up until Thomas Aquinas. By the way, he’s the guy that changed everything. But that’s another subject. But even even in the early missions, movement you got, you have people like Samuel Schwimmer, you have Samuel Shaw. If you have these guys that were always deconstructing Islam and it was, they they of course, they reconstructed the faith back on Christ in the scriptures.

01:23:51:16 – 01:24:10:15
But you have to do that because these people have been lied to. And, now, as as Arthur pointed out and, the information is there, you can go and find all the hadiths and all the languages now online. So you didn’t have that back when I was first started doing this stuff. But it’s it’s really important.

01:24:10:21 – 01:24:38:03
Really. Oh, absolutely. And, little, little funny. This is from a muslim here. David would go talk to the keen Institute Sheikh. Doctor elements. Omar Suleiman about Islamic dilemma. I think he can help you. Please contact him. Hey, my Muslim friend, you have my full permission, and you can go ahead and clip this. I hereby agree to a public debate, discussion, dialog, whatever you want to call it, with Sheikh Doctor Omar Suleiman on the Islamic dilemma.

01:24:38:11 – 01:24:55:06
So right now you’re thinking, oh, he could fix this. No, Omar Suleiman knows he would get. I’m not trying to be mean here. He knows he would get crushed on this issue. They do not want to to have this discussion. There’s there’s a there’s no scenario where they want to have this discussion because they don’t want people like you hearing about it and then seeing it get exposed publicly.

01:24:55:10 – 01:25:14:29
So there is I can’t say it’s a 0%, but it’s really, really close to a 0% chance that he would agree. Please, by all means, prove me wrong. I but prove me wrong and set it up so I’m not going to do it because I think it would be a waste of time. But if you think there’s a chance, then by all means go ahead and go ahead and try to go ahead and try to set that up.

01:25:15:01 – 01:25:37:06
But yeah, go on the issue you’re talking about probably 95% of the Muslims I know only left Islam after their confidence in Islam was massively shaken by finding out about the the truth about the Koran, by finding the truth about Mohammed. That’s why it’s just so amazing to me that you still have you still have people who still have lots of Christians.

01:25:37:06 – 01:26:06:06
So never criticize Mohammed. Don’t ever criticize the Koran. You’re just going to you’re just going to destroy your ability to talk about these things like that is the most effective. As a matter of fact, Nabeel, after I’ve told you, I’ve shared this lots of times. But after Nabeel became a Christian, he told me, he said when we were examining the evidence for Jesus death by crucifixion, the evidence for the resurrection, the evidence for the historical reliability of the New Testament, the evidence for Jesus claiming to be God, and so on.

01:26:06:09 – 01:26:34:20
Whenever we were investigating any of these things, by the time we finished, I would think to myself, these Christians actually have good reasons to believe what they believe. And he said, but whenever I would think that, I would think, yeah, but you know what? Even if they show me with 99% certainty that these things are true, I’m still 100% sure that Islam is true because of the scientific miracles and because of the perfect character of Mohammed, and because of the miraculous preservation of the Quran and all these things which are all based on lies.

01:26:34:23 – 01:26:59:04
And so when people say, don’t ever criticize Mohammed or the Quran, what you’re saying is don’t ever expose those lies that have been put into the Muslims head his entire life and are giving him this 100% complete confidence based on lies that keeps him from taking any serious praise and any presentation of the gospel seriously. It keeps him from taking it seriously because they think they have 100% certainty of their religion.

01:26:59:06 – 01:27:17:00
And you’ve got people are saying, yeah, but don’t do those that don’t, don’t, don’t shake that confidence. They haven’t exposed those lies. And it’s like, what what are you guys talking about man? Again, fortunately fortunately that’s changing. That’s changing over over time. A couple more super chats real quick and then we’ll get back. Great show yesterday we.

01:27:17:03 – 01:27:39:15
Oh, yeah, I already saw that. Thanks for speaking out about our true history. That’s the Ottoman, the Ottoman Empire. We’ve got an account now. Thank you for speaking on this. The Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocide by the hands of Muslims who follow a man who was rode all night long by all people. That’s a that’s a show I just did with Raymond Ibrahim.

01:27:39:15 – 01:27:55:10
There’s this really creepy hadith where it says the the, these people who look like the men of Allah, which are from a region of what is now India, Pakistan. So as they gathered around him and rode him all night long, it’s like, what is this even what is this talking about? But it’s Arab Christians who are bringing this up.

01:27:55:10 – 01:28:18:11
So this is really creepy. Like this. Why do you read it in Arabic and not, in the, sanitized English translation? The Armenian Genocide served as a blueprint for Hitler. Yeah, much that’s true. Misha, what is this? Must Heil Israel. Oh, mic trains must Heil Ezra. Because those that do become uppermost, even when UCL.

01:28:18:11 – 01:28:36:02
You see, does the Armenian Bible have the Book of Nicaea? Heil, Ezra. You guys don’t know why. You guys don’t know some of the jokes. We they joke about Ezra because the Koran says that, Jews call Ezra the Son of God. And so you have people who kind of just run with that and act like they, they worship Ezra.

01:28:36:04 – 01:28:45:28
And then the Book of Nicaea, that was sonico converted to Islam, and he started doubting the Bible because he found out that the book of the Council of Nicaea was removed from the Bible.

01:28:46:00 – 01:29:13:24
You know, this just tells me how much there’s a need to do the kind of work that we do in regards to apologetics, and specifically in regards to, the work we do on the internet is because most of the arguments that I come across are just uninformed, ignorant sort of stuff. Book of Nicaea. Like if anybody that has any sense knows that’s complete nonsense and we’ll be able to defeat that and not let someone like sneak or have any kind of.

01:29:13:24 – 01:29:14:24
Yeah.

01:29:14:27 – 01:29:17:13
Attention given to him or influence on people.

01:29:17:15 – 01:29:36:16
And what’s amazing is the people spouting complete nonsense like that just they’ll say it with complete confidence so that all these other ignorant people who are around who don’t know anything, they’re like, oh wow, is that that real? It’s like, seriously, you’re getting information from sneak up. You know, Armenia is too close to Iran. Israel is too close to Azerbaijan.

01:29:36:16 – 01:29:42:22
These are geopolitical errors that will hopefully be corrected in the future.

01:29:42:25 – 01:29:53:16
Yeah. I mean, these are geopolitics. And it’s, you know, you could say that the reason Israel is close to Azerbaijan is because it gives them an upper hand, when it comes to Iran. But I agree with that. I think.

01:29:53:17 – 01:29:55:16

01:29:55:18 – 01:30:26:05
You have to look at one of the things that with Armenia and Iranians specifically, and I think this can tie into Armenians doing, you know, missionary work towards the Iranians is that Armenians and Iranians have lived amongst each other for centuries and centuries and centuries. And there is there’s been an Armenian population in Iran from, like the Persian Empire days, definitely a pretty decent chunk of a minority since the 1600s.

01:30:26:07 – 01:30:53:02
My ancestors were taken to Iran in the 1600s by Shahbaz. And so there is been a sort of agreement in regards to the Armenians and the freedom they get, they get to have in Iran. And so there’s been ties to the country. I know as Westerners, we look at these things and we go, wait, why why are the Iranians that the Islamic Republic, you know, friendly towards this Christian nation?

01:30:53:03 – 01:31:22:08
Well, there’s a history behind that. That’s pre-Islamic republic days, first and foremost. And and the other thing is that, one of the claims that Azerbaijan has in this whole thing is that they claim northern Iran is Azerbaijan. Because there’s lots of Iranian, other Iranians that live there. And so, there are all sorts of weird bedfellows in, in all of these conversations.

01:31:22:10 – 01:31:23:11
The.

01:31:23:13 – 01:31:30:22
We’ve got a couple, almost through this, I did see we got the, we got the, the sunrise in Armenia. We got the Armenian sunrise there.

01:31:30:28 – 01:31:40:28
Well, it is you’re just talking about, northern Iran. Well, that’s what you’re looking at in the background. I’m about to take you guys on the roof. You can get a good view of all of Iran from here.

01:31:41:01 – 01:31:46:23
Oh, nice. Nice, nice. Oh. That’s cool. Hey, must be an awesome spot to pray for Iran.

01:31:46:25 – 01:32:02:10
And it is, it is. It’s an amazing place. Oh, absolutely. I it was funny, we were sitting here talking about this, and I was hearing the call to prayer in the background because there’s a village a little running village about, you know, four miles from here you can hear and not even that very three miles.

01:32:02:12 – 01:32:20:19
Oh, there’s actually there’s actually a question here, one of, because we only got we got a couple super chats left. But there’s actually a question related to that. But let’s see, Armenia was the first Christian nation, right? Yeah. We, we talked about that, earlier. My great grand uncle was William Nesbitt Chambers, a Christian missionary to Armenia starting 1878.

01:32:20:19 – 01:32:23:22
His writings are very sad to read.

01:32:23:25 – 01:32:49:24
Yeah. So these are missionaries that went to the Ottoman Empire and, the historic Armenian lands and essentially discovered. Wow, there’s a whole people group here, that are Christians and identify as Christians, and we should work amongst them. And, Jacob might know a little bit about this, but in their mind it seems like they thought that if we work with Armenians, the Armenians would be the best people to reach the Turks with the gospel.

01:32:49:26 – 01:33:15:20
That’s true. That’s exactly what they thought it was, referred to by, Robert Blinken as the great experiment. He wrote a book on this and, was what’s interesting about that is that, I really believe the best, history that was recorded of the eyewitness events of the 1894 1896 massacres called the Armenian Massacres and the Armenian Genocide were written by the missionaries.

01:33:15:20 – 01:33:42:16
I mean, there was literally thousands of missionaries working among the minority peoples building hospitals, schools, seminaries, orphanages, everything. And many of the missionaries died alongside the Armenians and, and they were trying to be a voice as well to the West. But the problem was that that was in the middle of World War One. I mean, the whole and there was, there was, an epidemic going on.

01:33:42:16 – 01:34:03:28
You had the the what was that? The Spanish. What do we call that, Spanish flu. Was that right? And, there, there it was. It was absolutely, the world was in chaos, but the missionaries were trying to work. So God bless this this, your great great uncle. How about that? Whoever this, super chat person is, come back and see what’s going on in Turkey and Armenia.

01:34:04:00 – 01:34:07:04
Follow the footsteps of your great great uncle.

01:34:07:06 – 01:34:08:23
Good idea.

01:34:08:25 – 01:34:18:10
AP should do a DNA test. He literally just talked about his DNA test. Here’s the question I want to get to, Jacob, are there are there mosques in Armenia?

01:34:18:12 – 01:34:24:08
So there are those. There’s there’s one mosque in downtown Yerevan. It’s, I believe they call it the blue mosques.

01:34:24:10 – 01:34:25:17
The Blue Mosque, it’s called.

01:34:25:19 – 01:34:50:27
Yes. And it’s, used by Persians. Now, I got to say, this is really an interesting thing about Armenia that’s changed since I’ve been here. And and our tours. Since when you were. You were here, last. Is that before the mosque here was not really being used. Now it is. And it’s because of the, Indian, Muslim migrants that have come in to work.

01:34:51:00 – 01:35:12:09
So there’s now over maybe 50, 60, 70,000 Indian migrants that have come to Armenia, and a lot of them from a muslim background. So things are changing and now we have a lot of Egyptians. Egyptian Muslims have moved in here, for, for basically labor work. It’s really fascinating. But there’s one mosque, it is open. That’s.

01:35:12:11 – 01:35:50:23
It’s also a historic site. It’s a historic site because I believe it was built in the 1700s, if I’m not mistaken. So here’s my response to that. Generally, praise the Lord. God is bringing Indian Muslims and Iranian Muslims and Egyptian Muslims to Armenia to hear the gospel. And become Christians. When I was in Armenia, I was working with, training a bunch of college students in apologetics, that there was testimony after testimony, after testimony of Indian students who’d come to Armenia to study, to become doctors who had through this, through the work of these, the student, ministry, had come to know the Lord.

01:35:50:25 – 01:36:06:04
And so they were in Armenia. They got they got their degrees, they became Christians. And then they were going to go back to India. As a matter of fact, some of them just didn’t even know what they were going to do when they back to India, because now they’re going to go back to their Muslim or, their Hindu families and say, Now I’m a Christian.

01:36:06:04 – 01:36:13:06
I don’t know, Jacob. You remember this? We did. We did a apologetics live Q&A for the Indian students, you and I together.

01:36:13:08 – 01:36:15:19
Yeah. For the Hindus and Muslims area.

01:36:15:21 – 01:36:37:27
Look, I’m a firm believer in what the Bible says in regards to God. Raises up nations and puts them down, raises up kings, and puts them down. God is as acts 17 says, God’s the one who is predetermined, the the borders of countries. I actually believe that’s true of our ethnicities as well. And there’s a reason for it.

01:36:37:27 – 01:36:54:18
And the text tells us the reason for it. And the reason for that is that so that people would search after God and find him, though he is not far from us. And so whenever I hear movements like that, my immediate response is, How is Jesus going to use this for the expansion of the gospel?

01:36:54:20 – 01:37:11:23
Oh, absolutely. Oh, I love it. We at last night, here we are in the small. I’m in a really small town, by the way, a village. I got here chickens and I got cows mooing and jackals in the background. But we had an Egyptian guy come to our service last night in this tiny little village on the border of Iran.

01:37:11:25 – 01:37:38:03
Egyptian dude like, where’d you come from? They’re all it is happening. And they’re hearing the gospel. They would. He would have never heard that where he was from. Egypt. But Armenia has been the safe haven for these folks to come. And I, you know, coming right here from the border, we have Iranians coming to our church, every Sunday and, and, and what I’ve noticed is that we have guests from Iran every Sunday as well.

01:37:38:05 – 01:38:05:19
And it’s always the first church they’ve ever been to. And we’re really the first Christians they’ve ever met. And, they’re saying we came here because we wanted to hear about, Christianity. And this is just like this. This place is just, it’s an amazing place to where God is bringing people to. As you said, the he changes borders and he brings people to and fro, and he’s bringing them here so they can hear the truth.

01:38:05:21 – 01:38:07:09

01:38:07:11 – 01:38:19:18
These are good times. It’s weird. Everyone’s everyone’s, like, miserable and depressed about all the things that are messed up in the world. Like if you man, have you. Are you missing how awesome things are right now? If you want to reach people with the gospel and.

01:38:19:21 – 01:38:38:12
Even David, even in in the situation that Armenia finds itself like geopolitically in that region and the difficulties, they just came out of a war, there’s a lot of, you know, wounded soldiers that are in Armenia and even those guys who’ve come back from the war, Jacob’s done good work with these veterans in which they’re hearing the gospel, and they’re asking questions of life.

01:38:38:12 – 01:38:43:16
These are 18, 19 year old guys who had limbs blown off. And so we don’t know what.

01:38:43:16 – 01:38:46:12
They just talked to one last night in my house, he had no. And.

01:38:46:13 – 01:38:48:24
Oh, man. Yeah.

01:38:48:27 – 01:39:13:06
And so, like, we we can we can complain about that stuff and, and, and we should speak about it to bring attention to it. Obviously, that’s part of the reason why we’re doing this. But also there’s an aspect of the God we believe in. And what the Bible teaches us is the the one who lives in us is greater than the one in the world that Jesus will, will conquer and win, that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is Lord.

01:39:13:06 – 01:39:25:27
Like these things are biblically solid and true. And so therefore we live off of that even in the midst of suffering. Let’s not forget that Christianity grew in the womb of suffering and persecution.

01:39:25:29 – 01:39:43:22
And then we look, we look around at the world, and everyone’s miserable and depressed at how everything’s going and and, look at this. Just look at the look at the demographics. Islam has the highest birth rates are going to take over the world. And I’m sitting here thinking, okay, that’s the direction things have been heading for 14 centuries.

01:39:43:22 – 01:40:04:11
And then right before. Right when? Right when people are looking at the demographics and saying, oh my goodness, in 2050, it’s going to take over this European city, and in 2060 it’s going to take over that. And and right before, right before all those things happen, all of a sudden, Christians get open access to the Muslim sources. As Jacob was pointing out, it was hard to get sources back in the day.

01:40:04:11 – 01:40:20:28
Now we have open access to all these sources that we can use to expose that expose the the lies of the da’wah guys. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, for the first time in history, we get open access to Muslims around the world. Wherever they are, we can we can get to them, at least through the internet.

01:40:21:00 – 01:40:39:18
And it’s like, so wait right before, right before all this stuff that you’re terrified of happening happens. Everything we could possibly need or dream of gets put in. Or I could talk to a muslim in Saudi Arabia right now while we’re live, if I wanted to on the on on the internet. This is these are these are awesome times.

01:40:39:18 – 01:40:55:22
So I look at this and I was like, wait a minute, right before all this bad stuff happens, everything gets tossed into our lap. I look at it and I say, hey, Islam looks like the Almighty has delivered you into our hands right now. So I got we got nothing to worry about, guys. We just got to keep doing what we’re what we’re supposed to do.

01:40:55:24 – 01:41:18:16
This one, Dave does. Does Platonism undermine the argument for morality? I guess you mean the argument for God from morality? Because Platonism would actually be a, a kind of, a kind of a kind of ground for certain parts of morality, namely a standard of goodness. But does Platonism undermine the argument from morality by offering an alternative explanation for moral realism?

01:41:18:18 – 01:41:42:27
What you said. Okay, a professor I had seem to think so. Unless he just meant that Euthyphro undermined it. No. What what moral Platonism would give you is some sort of, form of the good form of goodness or something like that. Some sort of. It gives you a standard of goodness. It doesn’t give you moral obligation because moral obligations are commands.

01:41:42:27 – 01:42:02:16
Right? Do not do this, do this, do not do that. And an impersonal something that is a standard of goodness but is not a personal agent, cannot give you commands. And so it could be a sort of standard of goodness. It cannot be a source of your moral obligations. Your moral obligations are commands. You have to do this.

01:42:02:16 – 01:42:14:19
You should not do this. You can’t do this and so on. So it could it could account for a part of it. But if your professor believes in moral obligations, Platonist moral Platonism not giving you that at all.

01:42:14:21 – 01:42:46:07
No, it won’t work because it runs into what’s called a communication problem. In Platonism you get this ideal that exists, but you really don’t get an answer as to how that ideal is communicated to our reality here. And the way that, the way that Plato’s thinking about resolving this is essentially coming up with this idea of, reincarnation, basically, preexistence that you get incarnated into this body and then, you know, you go through remembering these truths, but it does run into a communication problem, I think.

01:42:46:09 – 01:42:50:15
So sorry, I just the philosophy nerd in me came out.

01:42:50:17 – 01:43:15:01
Because I got $5 on David. I guess, just kidding. Brother, because it’s been nine years, I’ve heard your peculiar self saying such martyrs is my heart. Tell Marie. Hey, how’s it going, Rachel? Let’s get 1300 likes. Let’s see. We’re almost done. I just want to burn through these last couple real quick. Even though the wrong people were reelected again in Australia, hopefully, the plight of the Armenians can go to the government and they actually do something.

01:43:15:01 – 01:43:38:11
God bless you guys. My brothers in Christ. Thank you. We do want we do want everyone calling on their governments to do whatever they can to help, whether it’s something small or something big. There is an Armenian, apostolic church in Dhaka, Bangladesh, which was established in the 17th century in present day Bangladesh. Armenians are very entrepreneurial, and that is that’s very admirable.

01:43:38:13 – 01:43:42:21
Well, definitely got to be entrepreneurial. I mean, look what the Kardashians did.

01:43:42:23 – 01:43:45:10
Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:43:45:12 – 01:44:00:05
Hey, look at this. We got a super chat from an atheist lady. She didn’t give any, she and leave a comment, but that’s cool. And finally, not great at speech. David, what can I do to help our brothers and sisters across the globe? Well, you you’ve got some ideas here. You don’t have to go out and give speeches and so on.

01:44:00:08 – 01:44:16:08
Even guys, for those of you who are wondering what you doing, hey, maybe you, maybe don’t have a platform as far as, like, telling people. And so guys, just when you see something, when you see something put out by someone that you want to share, one of the most important things you can do is share it.

01:44:16:10 – 01:44:29:14
Learning something, learning something important and then and then sharing it and so on that that needs to get done. So all kinds of things you can do. All right guys, back to it. What do we want to talk about now.

01:44:29:17 – 01:44:57:00
So I think it’d be good because since the sun came up for for Jacob as it goes down on us, finally, I think one of the things we might want to talk about is, Armenia being, I’m lost for words here, but, strategic is the word I’m looking for. Strategic in regards to, training of people, to reach the nations around there.

01:44:57:00 – 01:44:59:13
Because I know, I know you’re involved in that, and I know you guys.

01:44:59:18 – 01:45:11:07
So what what are the. So we know. So, you basically said that you’ve got Turkey right there and Iran right there. Anything else in there? Anything else? Yeah.

01:45:11:09 – 01:45:35:10
So Armenia too is I’m going to just study the borders and then we’ll talk about the people groups, because not every country has the one ethnic group living in there. And that’s very important when you do missions. To the south, you have Iran, to the north, you have Georgia, the country of Georgia. And then you have Azerbaijan to the east, which is a Turkic, Shia nation, which is very interesting.

01:45:35:12 – 01:46:03:15
And then, to the west you have Turkey, but up north, beyond kind of Georgia, going into Russia, you get this, this conclave of ethnic groups that are in Russia. But like for example, Dagestan is something that everybody’s aware of because if they want UFC and you see all these, all these fighters coming through that region, you know, these guys are all just people across the mountains, literally.

01:46:03:18 – 01:46:12:18
And so, and there’s a whole Muslim population there. And I think Jacob’s been doing some work in regards to those, those areas as well.

01:46:12:20 – 01:46:17:24
Yeah. This is such a cool area to be. David, you got to come and visit sometime. I’ll do it.

01:46:18:01 – 01:46:19:00
I’ll do it.

01:46:19:03 – 01:46:30:08
I’ll planning on that. Jacob and I are planning on getting a group of people to go to Armenia with me. And so if you’re down, I’ll do include you in that one.

01:46:30:10 – 01:46:31:03
Done? Done.

01:46:31:03 – 01:46:31:13
Okay.

01:46:31:14 – 01:46:32:02
You heard it. Here.

01:46:32:03 – 01:46:36:01
All right. You already know what we’re going to do. So, look.

01:46:36:03 – 01:46:45:24
We’re going to storm the border of Iran, and then we’re going to we’re going to turn. Then we’re going to turn around. We’re going to meet up with AP, and then we’re going to go take back Constantinople.

01:46:45:26 – 01:47:13:24
I will do it. We’ll get an army together, man. I’m willing. It’s a it’s a cause worth dying for anyway. Let me just say this. So, if I am thinking about just what’s south of me right now, Iran, we have the Azeris there, the Azerbaijani Iranians. You’ve got the, Lori, you got about ten, 20, 30, 40 different people groups there, all these varieties of languages.

01:47:13:24 – 01:47:40:13
It’s it’s it’s so beautiful, complex, the cultures, the languages, just south of me. And, and these villages, I can drive my car right now. If I went to Iran and I could reach 86 different villages. Ten and I. I’m pretty positive in these villages and in the majority of the cities, there’s not yet an actual church because we’re really in an unreached area of Iran.

01:47:40:16 – 01:48:02:24
What do we think of Iranian Christians? I’m if we think about Tehran and things like that. And, but anyway, so this is an amazing place to go. There’s a reason why the United States Embassy, up until just recently, the largest embassy in the world, is located in Armenia. America saw this as a strategic location to do all of their work.

01:48:02:24 – 01:48:28:17
Within the area. We have Russia, you have Iran. We’re in the middle of everything. So let’s put the largest embassy to do whatever kind of work we need to do. Now. The largest embassy, well, it’s still in Iraq, but they just built the largest one in Lebanon. So Lebanon, Iraq. And now here. So when it comes to city, strategic importance for missions, we’re talking about the advancement of the kingdom of God.

01:48:28:19 – 01:48:48:07
Right. As you cross the border into Georgia now everybody thinks, oh, Georgia is a Christian country. Well, I mean, they got a cool Christian flag and all that. You know, it’s a cross and all that. However, if you just go to the west, there’s a province called Ajara and Aja. There’s about 300,000 people where they’re all Muslim.

01:48:48:07 – 01:49:08:28
They were Islamist, about 300 years ago. They’re Georgian Muslims, and they, don’t have any missionaries and they don’t have, we’ve been going now, for three years to do missions trips into villages. We literally drive a car. We we go to a mosque. That’s my my thing. Oh, my God. We’re just going to pull up at the mosque and I’m going to start.

01:49:08:28 – 01:49:29:06
We’re just going to start talking to people. And every time we’ve done that, the people are like, you know, 300 years ago we used to be Christians, but I guess we’re Moslems now. And, but what? But, you know, tell us about Christianity. It’s that easy. There’s no, there’s the opposition, isn’t there? It’s like they’ve just been waiting for somebody to go.

01:49:29:12 – 01:49:46:04
And people don’t realize this, this missions like, oh, this really hard thing. Yeah. You got to learn languages and culture and yeah, you might have some people throw stones at you, cursed you, and threaten your life, but that’s not a big deal. But these people, there’s people all over in these villages that are waiting for somebody to go and talk to them.

01:49:46:06 – 01:49:59:22
And and I, we are in this village. It took us two hours in the mud to get up there. I thought we were going to die because we’re going to fall off the side of the mountain. We finally get there. I don’t I’m like, I don’t know what’s going to happen. The the guy takes us to the mosque.

01:49:59:24 – 01:50:19:01
I share the gospel with him in the mosque, pray with him in the mosque. And then he says, would your team of 15 people stay in our village and and meet with the people in our village? We want to learn more about you and what you believe. He just opened up the entire door. The. This is this is the thing that we we got to understand that there are many.

01:50:19:01 – 01:50:39:09
You can do this type of work from here. You can go to Dagestan where our torture said where you got these MMA fighters also, unfortunately, the Boston bombers were from Doggystyle that, that, killed the guys in the marathon, a few years ago, whenever that was. But, we know. But the thing is, is that these are also unreached people groups.

01:50:39:11 – 01:50:59:19
You have, like, the lucky people group, you got the other, you’ve got the, the the no guy. You have all these people that nobody’s ever heard of. The our whole people, for example, who’s ever heard the our whole people, they’re Muslim. There’s 34,000 of them. They have their language. But but they’re only a 8 to 9 hour drive from here.

01:50:59:21 – 01:51:18:26
And if you’re Armenian, you already speak Russian. You learn that as a second language. They just drive right up there. Hey, we’re here to talk to you about Christ. And they’re like, well, they’ve never seen they’re not read the Bible. All they know is they’re they’re russa fide Islam. So, there is so much opportunity from here.

01:51:18:27 – 01:51:41:07
One day when the borders between, Azerbaijan and Armenia, when they open up, it’s going to be the same thing. They they’re going to be able to share right away with those Azeri Muslims and share something that they’ve never heard. And and they’re doing it to Turkey. We got this people going almost every week to Turkey to go to, these places to share the gospel.

01:51:41:07 – 01:52:07:06
And they’re not coming back with like, oh, it was so hard. And oh, they were so mean. They’re like, they opened their houses, they gave us tea. They said, stay with us. And they’ve been going now for ten years straight. Now new churches have been started because of the Armenian missionaries that are sacrificing their time to go over and drive over to Turkey and spend that time, learn the language and interact with these people.

01:52:07:06 – 01:52:12:12
So this is a very important country for the Kingdom of God.

01:52:12:14 – 01:52:27:21
One quick follow up question along those lines. If you’re trying to reach the people of Dagestan, would it help if I went there and beat up all their MMA fighters and showed that we’re really strong?

01:52:27:24 – 01:52:37:09
You know, if you do that, it’s like a kind of like one of these, David and Goliath type of things. Yeah, that would definitely work.

01:52:37:12 – 01:52:38:22
I see that.

01:52:38:24 – 01:52:51:21
You might have to wrestle a bear before you wrestle one of them. I’m saying. But, David, you’re you got a pretty, you’re pretty tall, dude. I’ve seen you square up, so I think you can do it.

01:52:51:24 – 01:53:00:11
That would be fun. Yeah. They’d have to introduce the. I grew up in a West Virginia trailer park. Everyone. That’s all the MMA training I need.

01:53:00:13 – 01:53:01:24

01:53:01:26 – 01:53:05:24
Awesome. Awesome, awesome. All right, guys, so, are we kind of wrapping up here?

01:53:05:26 – 01:53:08:26
Yeah, I think so.

01:53:08:29 – 01:53:25:11
Yeah, this is a good time. So, why don’t you, I mean, I’ve got the links to your YouTube channels in the description, but tell, why don’t you guys tell everyone anything they could do to help? How to follow you? How to follow anything you’re doing. So on.

01:53:25:14 – 01:53:28:13
Jacob, I’ll give you the go there first.

01:53:28:15 – 01:53:48:22
Well, you know, I there’s some things I can’t be very, public about, but, I do post from time to time just on Facebook. It is Jacob personally. You’ll find me on Facebook. I use, Instagram to post things, and I’m not a YouTuber, so I’m not like you guys. You guys, you know, it’s I do have a YouTube channel.

01:53:48:22 – 01:54:06:09
I, I put something about once a month on, but, I, my main focus is our church planting and our sending and equipping of people. But, you can find me on, on Facebook and I do do that. Also probably on Substack. I do write some newsletters from time, Jacob, if you want to.

01:54:06:09 – 01:54:18:29
What’s happening? Jacob, you if you want to send me any links, if you want to send me any links, sure. Share about any anywhere you want to send people. Let, go ahead and send those to me. I’ll put them in the description box. And so anyone who’s anyone who’s watching this later on can, well, we’ll know.

01:54:18:29 – 01:54:22:04
We’ll have the links. Got it.

01:54:22:06 – 01:54:49:02
Yeah. I just find me at a Paul guest center on all the platforms. Our website. Paul, I intercom right now is under construction, but, hopefully it’ll be up soon, with more info on there. And again, if people want to support the work that we do, we appreciate it because we do we do do work in apologetics in Armenia as well, in Armenian, not in English, because it’s important to get this stuff into people’s own languages, in their own ways and in their own context.

01:54:49:05 – 01:54:59:25
But I also do stuff in the United States. I live in the United States, so I do things in the United States as well. So reach out to me at if you can email me info at a Paul gets intercom and also.

01:54:59:25 – 01:55:10:23
Yeah. Are there any, any I’ve got link to your YouTube channel, but, yeah, once everything’s up and running with your website, let me know. I’ll include that there. And guys, any time.

01:55:10:25 – 01:55:32:27
There’s news periodically about things going on in Armenia that breaks out that, something something’s going on, something’s happening, and so on. So sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s, lots of times it’s, bad news about something that’s going on, in that area. But, yeah, if there’s ever anything to cover, let me know. And we can, jump on and and let people let people know about it.

01:55:32:29 – 01:55:55:12
Got these last two super charts here. One from Cyrus. Cyrus the Great himself. Great. Says David, will there be any reparations for Armenians from Turkey? But unfortunately, Muslims never do any wrong. They’re too coward to admit it. Yeah, I can’t imagine a scenario where, Turkey is going to be giving reparations to, to our to our media, and they still won’t even acknowledge if anything happened.

01:55:55:15 – 01:56:06:26
And we have with the resurgence of Persian pride and pre-Islamic nationalism in Iran, should Christians learn how to proselytize Zoroastrians?

01:56:06:28 – 01:56:15:05
It’s an interesting way of writing that. But yes, Christians should learn how to preach the gospel to everybody who doesn’t know Jesus. Period.

01:56:15:08 – 01:56:34:14
Yeah, and that would kind of that would not be terribly relevant for people outside of the area as far as, learning about Zoroastrianism and so on. For people in that area. Yeah. If you’re if you’re a missionary or something like that or you’re a Christian in the area and you know what’s going on in that area. Yeah, you you, you you should learn a little bit about it.

01:56:34:14 – 01:56:38:23
And what’s most effective with that? Back to you, Jacob. Looks like you’re,

01:56:38:25 – 01:56:48:15
Hey, it’s just just some show and tell guy. I mean, how often do you get to, you know, see, see Iran live.

01:56:48:18 – 01:57:05:23
Right there. All those mountains. I don’t know if if you can see it that well, but I just want to show you that it’s a beauty. Beautiful view from here. Yep. Yeah, this this road, that road right over there goes right to Tabriz.

01:57:05:25 – 01:57:06:27
Yeah.

01:57:06:29 – 01:57:15:11
Awesome. And, Hey. Hey, Jacob, do you want to, do you want to lead, do you want to lead everyone in a prayer right there for, Iran?

01:57:15:13 – 01:57:46:25
Absolutely. I would love to. Let’s do that guys. Hey, let’s pray for this country. So, father, I’m so grateful for David and for our tour and for your goodness on us and how you had grace and pointed us to your son and how, Lord, that you sacrificed everything for us, Lord, and gave us eternal life. And Lord, you’ve given us, this opportunity right now to come before your throne on behalf of the people in a country that you love.

01:57:46:27 – 01:58:09:05
So we first we pray for Iran, Lord, that you would open the doors for freedom, for the gospel to go forth in these villages and in every city, Lord, that your word would be proclaimed, they would go forth and we would be honored there would the doors would be opened. You would send workers over here, even listeners, Lord, stir them up so that they would come and they would preach and declare the gospel in this country.

01:58:09:11 – 01:58:28:16
And we pray for a change in this, in the regime. Lord, that, that the freedoms would open up, Lord, and protect the believers there right now and those that are in Evin prison, Lord, that for their faith, Lord, that you would set them free and comfort them while they’re in prison, for their faith. And I pray for the country of Armenia where we’re at now.

01:58:28:16 – 01:58:52:06
And, Lord, protect this place. Lord, protect the borders, protect the land, Lord, and continue to bless this place so that it would be a light and a blessing to the surrounding nations, and continue to use the platforms of the internet. Lord, we’re using David using our tool to proclaim the truth, to correct lies, and that those that are listening, Lord, they would come to know you if they don’t already.